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2023-24 ISU WBB Season Thread

Our NET improved by one place from #70 to #69. Iowa dropped one place for not thumping us I guess. :rolleyes:

Sunday's opponent, NDSU, is NET #157 and will drop more after that loss to Drake today. Man, are they doing a faceplant considering how people thought they would go this season. FWIW, Drake is #90.

Early, so NET is sort of garbage at this point but thought I'd throw it out there for fun.
 
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BoxsterCy said:
Our NET improved by one place from #70 to #69. Iowa dropped one place for not thumping us I guess. :rolleyes:

Sunday's opponent, NDSU, is NET #157 and will drop more after that loss to Drake today. Man, are they doing a faceplant considering how people thought they would go this season. FWIW, Drake is #90.

Early, so NET is sort of garbage at this point but thought I'd throw it out there for fun.
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Both Drake and Iowa (even with a great class) next year, especially if Clark goes pro (which is in my opinion a given), will be more than a tad bit off their current level of play. Iowa State, barring whatever, should be solid, if not dominating.
 
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StClone said:
Both Drake and Iowa (even with a great class) next year, especially if Clark goes pro (which is in my opinion a given), will be more than a tad bit off their current level of play. Iowa State, barring whatever, should be solid, if not dominating.
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I'm not trying to start something here but, I completely and totally disagree with you that Clark goes pro. For me, it's a given that she stays for the simple fact that she'll make way more in NIL deals in college than she ever would as a pro. (First year money for WNBA is crap no matter who you are). She can rewrite all the records so they're never ever touched again too. Why wouldn't she stay??

Really curious why your opinion is what it is
 
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I'm not trying to start something here but, I completely and totally disagree with you that Clark goes pro. For me, it's a given that she stays for the simple fact that she'll make way more in NIL deals in college than she ever would as a pro. (First year money for WNBA is crap no matter who you are). She can rewrite all the records so they're never ever touched again too. Why wouldn't she stay??

Really curious why your opinion is what it is
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She stated she's treating this as her last season for starters. If she wins a national title she's gone. If she doesn't get a title will she belabor another season only to lose again or inflate the asterisk on her records (five years with Covid)? My view is no.

The big thing I see is she will want to do more against, and with, better pro competition in the WNBA. She loses it when she perceives failure in fellow lesser players, referees, or whoever. If she appears animatedly frustrated now, what will the future reveal? Her flops, yelling at referees, teammates, and maybe, hopefully, T's are not out of the question. Will that harm her appeal as people may tire of it?

The money will be there. Being a graduate player just doesn't seem like a perk for her unless her love of Iowa is that great. To note we have pro players leave early for the money and still state a devotion to Iowa State (so you can leave and still love your school).

Don't know the timing of her decision whether to stay but where she gets drafted may have an effect.

From what I see, in my opinion, she is gone. I may well be wrong, but it'd be nice to see her leave though.
 
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She stated she's treating this as her last season for starters. If she wins a national title she's gone. If she doesn't get a title will she belabor another season only to lose again or inflate the asterisk on her records (five years with Covid)? My view is no.

The big thing I see is she will want to do more against, and with, better pro competition in the WNBA. She loses it when she perceives failure in fellow lesser players, referees, or whoever. If she appears animatedly frustrated now, what will the future reveal? Her flops, yelling at referees, teammates, and maybe, hopefully, T's are not out of the question. Will that harm her appeal as people may tire of it?

The money will be there. Being a graduate player just doesn't seem like a perk for her unless her love of Iowa is that great. To note we have pro players leave early for the money and still state a devotion to Iowa State (so you can leave and still love your school).

Don't know the timing of her decision whether to stay but where she gets drafted may have an effect.

From what I see, in my opinion, she is gone. I may well be wrong, but it is nice to see her leave though.
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We should probably take further discussion to the general WBB thread. Although this started as discussion of opponents, we've already played both squads (Drake n Iowa).

Going to quote StClone and continue it there.
 
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She stated she treating this as her last season for starters. If she wins a national title she's gone. If she doesn't get a title will she belabor another season only to lose again or inflate the asterisk on her records (five years with Covid)? My view is no.

The big thing I see is she will want to do more against, and with, better pro competition in the WNBA. She loses it when she perceives failure in fellow lesser players, referees, or whoever. If she appears animatedly frustrated now, what will the future reveal? Her flops, yelling at referees, teammates, and maybe, hopefully, T's are not out of the question. Will that harm her appeal as people may tire of it?

The money will be there. Being a graduate player just doesn't seem like a perk for her unless her love of Iowa is that great. To note we have pro players leave early for the money and still state a devotion to Iowa State (so you can leave and still love your school).

Don't know the timing of her decision whether to stay but where she gets drafted may have an effect.

From what I see, in my opinion, she is gone. I may well be wrong, nice to see her leave though.
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A few points

- Yes she's treating it like her last year but, what do you expect her to say and do? She's keeping her options open until after the season. I expect her to go thru all the pre-draft formalities and then announce a return. I would agree that if she wins an NC, it'll be harder for her to return but, I still think she does. That however I think is a moot point--this Iowa team is not as good last year IMO and not an NC contender.

- I don't think anyone is adding asterisks to covid records and in a few years, no one will know the difference anyway. She's got an ego bigger than texas and she wants those untouchable records!!

- She's still going to see failure in anyone she sees as less then her, even at the pro level that won't change and all her antics will continue on the next level

- The extra year in college won't change anyone's opinion one way or the other. If you're tired of the CC show than you will be next year too, if you think she's the greatest player ever born, you'll still think that!!

- I don't know how you can say that WNBA money will be there, It won't for several years. It just doesn't work that way for the ladies. She'd be dumb not to take the NIL $$ as long as she can

- She good for the state of Iowa and for the woman's game of basketball and she knows it

I still think she stays
 
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BoxsterCy said:
We should probably take further discussion to the general WBB thread. Although this started as discussion of opponents, we've already played both squads (Drake n Iowa).

Going to quote StClone and continue it there.
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No need I don't have any more to say On this topic.
 
Took a glance at Big 12 stats since we are some games into the season now. Against a mixed bag of competition for all teams but we currently rank 10th in offense and 12th in defense. We are shooting an uncharacteristic 68% from the line. Audi Crooks is in Top 10 for scoring. Addy Brown is Top Ten in rebounding and assists.

Found this interesting, both Addy and Hannah in the Top Ten for assists per game. Goes with my comment of liking Hannah at PG because she doesn't dribble around forever and gets the ball moving by passing. We have a great passing forward so pass the ball around and we have been. This is quite different from Ashley Joens who averaged 1.6 assists per game over her career. Bridget Carleton averaged 4.0/game as a senior, a plus up she had over Joens.

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Madison Brooker of Texas was picked as pre-season freshman of the year. With good reason, she was the #12 ranked recruit and 5-star.

Guessing Addy Brown is giving her a run for that so far. Both have started every game, 11 games fo Brooker, 9 games for Brown. #5 Texas has had a comparable schedule, UConn versus our Iowa game and both Arizona schools. Brooker played all 40 minutes vs UConn and 35 last night but Texas has more depth so less minutes per game overall because of some of the N/C games where Texas didn't need starters to play 30 plus.

Madison Brooker: 24 MIN 11.5 PTS 4.1 REB 3.7 AST
Addy Brown: 34 MIN 14.4 PTS 8.1 REB 5.6 AST

Will be interesting to revisit mid-conference season.
 
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BoxsterCy said:
Took a glance at Big 12 stats since we are some games into the season now. Against a mixed bag of competition for all teams but we currently rank 10th in offense and 12th in defense. We are shooting an uncharacteristic 68% from the line. Audi Crooks is in Top 10 for scoring. Addy Brown is Top Ten in rebounding and assists.

Found this interesting, both Addy and Hannah in the Top Ten for assists per game. Goes with my comment of liking Hannah at PG because she doesn't dribble around forever and gets the ball moving by passing. We have a great passing forward so pass the ball around and we have been. This is quite different from Ashley Joens who averaged 1.6 assists per game over her career. Bridget Carleton averaged 4.0/game as a senior, a plus up she had over Joens.

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Well that seems a little scary. Play the games and see what happens.
 
I know it' way too early but it's fun to discuss, especially in light of the Warren Nolan predictions.

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Charlie Creme of ESPN doesn't have ISU in his 2024 NCAA Tournament Field dated 12/12/23, nor in his first eight out. He has seven Big XII teams in the field, specifically:

Texas - 2
KSU - 4
Baylor - 4
TCU - 8
West Virginia - 9
Oklahoma - 10
Texas Tech - 10

Given that ISU just played Troy, generally a contender in the Sun Belt, let's take a peek at that conference, Charlie has Old Dominion winning and placed as a 12 seed. Fun observation - Charlie has Ole Miss in the field as a #9 seed, despite the fact the Lady Rebs recently lost to Southern Miss of the Sun Belt.
 
Hopefully the team makes the tourney, see how they do against UNI Wed. nite hopefully a W, just watch them keep getting better than a tourney bid will be icing on the cake. They have been more fun to watch than I thought they might be.
 
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Hopefully the team makes the tourney, see how they do against UNI Wed. nite hopefully a W, just watch them keep getting better than a tourney bid will be icing on the cake. They have been more fun to watch than I thought they might be.
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We'll know more (going Capt. Obvious here for a minute) about our chances by the end of January after we've played half our Big 12 slate. We haven't played any "real" road games yet.

Using January as Part I, making the NCAA will be defending Hilton and not becoming roadkill in January. It's not any sort of crazy tough schedule for January (no Baylor, no Texas, KSU @ Hilton) so that should help in the adjustment to league play.

Part II will be adjusting (for the freshman) to the long grind of league play with the mental and physical fatigue of travel, practice and school work. Part II will be interesting, February opens with Baylor and Texas back-to-back. Players can hit a wall but on the other hand we've had a number of seasons where we started slow and finished strong.

I am cautiously optimistic for a March invite.
 
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