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Ouch. Penn State 2027 Recruiting Decline?

DesertClone1 said:
Matt won't be there in 6 years time. We've all seen how his teams perform when there's sky high expectations.
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They kept James Franklin for 12 years as he went 15-28 against Top 25 teams and would still be there had he beaten UCLA and Northwestern last year. I'll be Campbell flips those numbers in his first 43 games against ranked teams.

Penn State doesn't make impulsive coaching decisions.
 
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Pope said:
I think we're doing just fine. Rogers already has 24 commits for 2027 and 4 are from Iowa. Ferentz has 13 commits for 2027 and 6 are from Iowa. All 10 kids who've committed to ISU or Iowa are 3star recruits.

Rogers and his staff are already very familiar with the high school coaches in the midwest. They've recruited Iowa and surrounding states intensely for several years, so they've hit the ground running.
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It's all in the details, the highest rated players by 247 for 2027 are going to Penn. State and Minnesota, EIU got players 3, 4, and 5, along with 9 and 10. ISU got 6 and 8 with #7 not being recruited by either school.
You have to look past the total and look at their rankings. Our other two recruits are 18 and 19, while EIU's lowest is 14th. There were only two 4 star instate recruits for the 2027 class and both are going out of state. So of the top 10 instate players 7 are staying in state and EIU got 5 of the 7.

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2027 Top Football Recruits in Iowa

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.
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cyfan92 said:
Penn State's non-conference this year is the easiest non-conference Matt has every played. For some perspective, the SOS rank for Penn State is nearly 20 spots worse than the second lowest Big 10 team (59th in the country)

They will be 3-0 on 9/20. Their big 10 slate, according to SP+ is #62 Wisconsin, @#46 Northwestern, then their hardest two games (#13 USC and @ #14 Michigan), followed by #83 Purdue, @#21 Washington, #45 Minn, #61 Rutgers, and finishes @#53 Maryland. The first top 25 opponent isn't until 10/10 and the median ranking from 10/31-11/28 games is #53 in SP+. As a measuring stick, the 2025 UCONN Huskies were #53 in SP+ last season.

Winning anything less than 9 games in 2026 should cause Happy Valley to burn to the ground...
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They will inexplicably lose a home game they shouldn't.

I'd guess Minny. Feels like the kind of rock fight where CMC plays the game in the style the opponent prefers.
 
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What is going to get to many ISU fans is that Penn State is going to win 10 to 12 games, make the playoff and will be doing with a lot of former ISU players at key positions. There will be a lot of talk on here about how that could have been us, and they will be correct. Campbell is good of a coach and has learned from the mistakes he made here to stop repeating those mistakes. He will just have better players to coach than what he did here. Heck I saw the Oline coach the other day saying he has never worked with so many good players as he has this year. They just have and are going to get better players than ISU.
 
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cytor said:
Matt did pretty good against EIU while he was here.
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1SEIACLONE said:
Sure did and how much better when he have done with the higher rated Iowa kids? Instate kids are the life blood of most programs, you have to keep the better kids in state more often than not and in the case of where you have two instate schools, be beating them for the better talent more often than not.

If you are Georgia you do not want to lose a 5 star instate kid to Alabama, or LSU, even though you are going to get your share of 5 stars also, you want to keep the best athletics in your state going to your school.
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Wait is this sarcasm or are we calling 3-6 including some baffling weirdness in that game pretty good?

Thankfully it didn't define CMC's time but outside of eeking out some ugly wins recently it was not good.
 
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1SEIACLONE said:
What is going to get to many ISU fans is that Penn State is going to win 10 to 12 games, make the playoff and will be doing with a lot of former ISU players at key positions. There will be a lot of talk on here about how that could have been us, and they will be correct. Campbell is good of a coach and has learned from the mistakes he made here to stop repeating those mistakes. He will just have better players to coach than what he did here. Heck I saw the Oline coach the other day saying he has never worked with so many good players as he has this year. They just have and are going to get better players than ISU.
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Wasn't every offensive line gonna be the "best ever" according to Campbell every year? And I'm not sure he learned from his mistakes during that debacle in Boulder last year
 
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CyGuy5 said:
Man I can’t wait until they lose to a team they have no business losing to. I might have to make a burner just for that

“Linebacker U” is going to start Kooper Ebel. That fanbase won’t accept that
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He's listed a lot of his former Iowa State players as starters on the two deeps. Surprised it was that many. This was a team that was 5-4 in the Big 12 and ranked in the middle offensive and defensive statistical categories.
 
cyfan92 said:
Penn State's non-conference this year is the easiest non-conference Matt has every played. For some perspective, the SOS rank for Penn State is nearly 20 spots worse than the second lowest Big 10 team (59th in the country)

They will be 3-0 on 9/20. Their big 10 slate, according to SP+ is #62 Wisconsin, @#46 Northwestern, then their hardest two games (#13 USC and @ #14 Michigan), followed by #83 Purdue, @#21 Washington, #45 Minn, #61 Rutgers, and finishes @#53 Maryland. The first top 25 opponent isn't until 10/10 and the median ranking from 10/31-11/28 games is #53 in SP+. As a measuring stick, the 2025 UCONN Huskies were #53 in SP+ last season.

Winning anything less than 9 games in 2026 should cause Happy Valley to burn to the ground...
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IMO.... if they lose to both USC and Michigan... they will not have a "good win" on their resume... and one of the easiest non-conference schedules in the country. No way a team like that should make ANY playoff.... but I'm sure they would for sure. Those are the times we're living in.

If Rocco is their starter, nothing against him at all, but they will lose at least 1 or 2 games they have no business losing IMO. And Mouser will cost them 1 or 2 also IMO. UNLESS... both Rocco and Mouser have gotten a LOT better since last year.
 
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clonedude said:
IMO.... if they lose to both USC and Michigan... they will not have a "good win" on their resume... and one of the easiest non-conference schedules in the country. No way a team like that should make ANY playoff.... but I'm sure they would for sure. Those are the times we're living in.

If Rocco is their starter, nothing against him at all, but they will lose at least 1 or 2 games they have no business losing IMO. And Mouser will cost them 1 or 2 also IMO. UNLESS... both Rocco and Mouser have gotten a LOT better since last year.
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Don't forget, no Heacock. Big loss to Campbell's formula for success.
 
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Actually... after looking at their schedule, i think they lose 3 maybe 4.
Marshall-W
@ Temple-W
Marshall-W
Wisconsin-W(?) they spent a LOT of money this year.
@ NW-W
USC-L
@ Michigan L
Purdue-W
@ Washington-L
Minnesota-Toss (this is Ripe for a Campbell special)
Rutgers - W
@ Maryland-W

So... they beat the teams they should and don't have a good win. Sound Familiar?
 
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Texbudman said:
Wasn't every offensive line gonna be the "best ever" according to Campbell every year? And I'm not sure he learned from his mistakes during that debacle in Boulder last year
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You know for as many people that seemed sad when he left, a lot like to rip on him now. Campbell was not perfect, but he put ISU into more games and won more of them than any coach we have ever had. If Rogers does as well, we will all be talking what a great coach he is.

His time at PSU will come down how he does against the top ranked teams, not beating #15 whoever, that is expected there, its how do you do against Oregon, Ohio State or some other topped ranked team. Last year people had Penn State as one of the favorites to win the championship and they went 7-5 or so.
 
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1SEIACLONE said:
You know for as many people that seemed sad when he left, a lot like to rip on him now. Campbell was not perfect, but he put ISU into more games and won more of them than any coach we have ever had. If Rogers does as well, we will all be talking what a great coach he is.

His time at PSU will come down how he does against the top ranked teams, not beating #15 whoever, that is expected there, its how do you do against Oregon, Ohio State or some other topped ranked team. Last year people had Penn State as one of the favorites to win the championship and they went 7-5 or so.
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I agree. I don't have much more than a few minor misgivings about how this went down. I posted the OP as a possible take on MC as a view on how things appear to be going not that they will necessarily end that way.
 
StClone said:
...However, there is one trend in this recruiting class that could cause some concern. Among the 20 players committed, just three come from Pennsylvania. In a 2027 class that is loaded with in-state talent, the Nittany Lions swinging and missing on a majority of the top talent can be worrisome.

Currently, Penn State has more players committed in New Jersey with five than its own state. While no singular team has dominated the state in the 2027 class, it’s allowed some major programs to enter itself into the Pennsylvania ecosystem...

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Column | Should Penn State fans be worried about recent recruiting losses?

After a major official visit weekend to begin June, things have gone south for Penn State’s 2027 class.
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I hope they crash and burn SO HARD
 
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1SEIACLONE said:
You have a new coach and basically a completely new staff, it's going to take a year or two for them to get out and meet the coaches and players from their region. Don't think for a moment that once Franklin was fired, the other name schools figured that it improved their chances in Penn. and the region to get kids that might have gone to PSU if the coaching change had not occurred. ISU is going to be going through the same thing, which will kill us in the instate recruiting for the next year or two.
If Campbell wins, the recruits will be there, if he doesn't they won't, the same for Rogers.
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The easiest time to recruit is before you ever coach a game. Especially in the NIL era
 
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