The great career redo debate

[AllInForISU]

Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens without the steroids, Griffey without injuries. All would be vying for the spot of all time greatest to ever play.

I still think Bonds should be in the HOF based on his first 8 years alone and Clemens based on Boston stats alone. Insane when you look at their stats pre-Steroid era

 

[helechopper]

Why so?

Because he was Zion Williamson before Zion Williamson. Burton was hobbled because he didn't attend Duke, UNC, UCONN, or another blue blood. Then when he was in the league, he never got a fair shot.

 

[madguy30]

Because he was Zion Williamson before Zion Williamson. Burton was hobbled because he didn't attend Duke, UNC, UCONN, or another blue blood. Then when he was in the league, he never got a fair shot.

He wasn't as skilled as Zion and how did he not get a fair shot?

Didn't he get regular minutes for a couple of seasons?

 

[DesertClone1]

Yes he's in the hall (FINALLY) but Sterling Sharpe.

 

[ScottyP]

NFL players:

Billy Sims - knee injury ended his career early
Gale Sayers - still a HOF'er, but career cut short early
Archie Manning - could have had much better career if played for a better team
Andrew Luck - would have likely played much longer had he gone to a team with an adequate o-line.

edited for a few more:
Aldon Smith - got into too much trouble
Justin Blackmon - trouble staying clean
Megatron - what could have been if he was on a different team

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Barry Sanders deserved better

 

[CyinLimbo]

All the Negro league players getting an equal opportunity
The Russian hockey players who came over in their 30's (Fetisov?)
Baseball you can name just about any pitcher who had Tommy John surgery....especially when it was a relatively new procedure

 

[JP4CY]

Never thought about Griffey. When elected to HOF I think he had like highest % ever.
And to sit back and think about how he was hurt for a good latter half is interesting.

He definitely could have been the Michael Jordan of baseball.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Ichiro Suzuki would probably have the hits record if he had been able to start playing in the states before he turned 27.

 

[helechopper]

He wasn't as skilled as Zion and how did he not get a fair shot?

Didn't he get regular minutes for a couple of seasons?

 

[Antihawk240]

I'll go Pete Rose's coaching career. He made a bad bad choice that was against the rules and will forever pay for it.

 

[Cyclones8824]

Josh Gordon without the substance abuse. Unbelievable for a year and then could never stay eligible.

 

[GoHawks]

NFL players:

Billy Sims - knee injury ended his career early
Gale Sayers - still a HOF'er, but career cut short early
Archie Manning - could have had much better career if played for a better team
Andrew Luck - would have likely played much longer had he gone to a team with an adequate o-line.

edited for a few more:
Aldon Smith - got into too much trouble
Justin Blackmon - trouble staying clean
Megatron - what could have been if he was on a different team

Along with some of the names you gave in football I think David Carr walked into about worse situation imaginable. Be interesting what he could of been going to just your normal bad team with first pick. I'm not going to say that texans team was worst of all time as they did win 4 games and had some defensive talent but that offense and specifically offensive line was Brian Ferentz bad

 

[cydsho]

The only reason he fell to ISU was because of the mental stuff.

Yeah Royce never would have been here if not for that but holy cow what a talent.
He could do almost anything. I remember that 1st half against #1 Kentucky where he outplayed everyone on the court.

 

[EnhancedFujita]

Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens without the steroids, Griffey without injuries. All would be vying for the spot of all time greatest to ever play.

I still think Bonds should be in the HOF based on his first 8 years alone and Clemens based on Boston stats alone. Insane when you look at their stats pre-Steroid era

Bonds 100% is in the HOF if he never did roids. He was an elite player early in his career and no reason to think he wouldn't have continued to be a top player without roids.

With that said, it was interesting to see what an elite athlete could do when juiced to the max, which in turn gives even more respect to Aaron and Ruth for doing it without.

 

[Drew0311]

NFL players:

Billy Sims - knee injury ended his career early
Gale Sayers - still a HOF'er, but career cut short early
Archie Manning - could have had much better career if played for a better team
Andrew Luck - would have likely played much longer had he gone to a team with an adequate o-line.

edited for a few more:
Aldon Smith - got into too much trouble
Justin Blackmon - trouble staying clean
Megatron - what could have been if he was on a different team

Barry Sanders had they surrounded him with good players and he didn't retire with a ton left in the tank

 

[Cyfan1965]

Stephon Marbury demanded a trade from T-Wolves

 

[cytor]

Tony Oliva... the guy was awesome before his knee injury.

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

NFL players:

Billy Sims - knee injury ended his career early
Gale Sayers - still a HOF'er, but career cut short early
Archie Manning - could have had much better career if played for a better team
Andrew Luck - would have likely played much longer had he gone to a team with an adequate o-line.

edited for a few more:
Aldon Smith - got into too much trouble
Justin Blackmon - trouble staying clean
Megatron - what could have been if he was on a different team

I was going to bring up Archie Manning. That was back in the pre free agency days so he was stuck in a terrible organization. He took an absolute beating.

 

[ClonerJams]

Well now you got me going back to Deonte Burton dunks