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clonedude said:
This x1000. Anyone making this political can F right off. Saw a fire chief on TV today saying it wouldn't have mattered how many firefighters they had, or water, or money... nothing you can do with 80 mph winds.

Why does everyone always have to find someone to blame? Why wasn't eastern Iowa ready for that derecho several years ago? It's a stupid question.

Climate change is what should be blamed. It's only going to get worse folks.
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But do we know these fires are due to climate change? I don't mean to be insensitive or deny that climate change isn't an issue. Weather doesn't follow a consistent pattern, so having a dry fall, which followed a wet early 2024 wouldn't be unusual. To my knowledge, they don't know how the fires started, so it could be power lines, arson, careless person or mother nature.

IMO there is another aspect of human environmental impact and that is humans can build the infrastructure/technology to live anywhere. Is it a good idea 5M people live in Phoenix or 2.5M people in LV? Both in the middle of the desert. Same can be said for SoCal. Is that climate suited for 24M people? And the same can be said for impacts of any large metro.

Fire is the US west is not a modern event, we just have so many more people living in that area of the country than 100 or even 50 years ago. A good read is Timothy Egan's Big Burn. Fire is a pretty unstoppable event.
 
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isucy86 said:
But do we know these fires are due to climate change? I don't mean to be insensitive or deny that climate change isn't an issue. Weather doesn't follow a consistent pattern, so having a dry fall, which followed a wet early 2024 wouldn't be unusual. To my knowledge, they don't know how the fires started, so it could be power lines, arson, careless person or mother nature.

IMO there is another aspect of human environmental impact and that is humans can build the infrastructure/technology to live anywhere. Is it a good idea 5M people live in Phoenix or 2.5M people in LV? Both in the middle of the desert. Same can be said for SoCal. Is that climate suited for 24M people? And the same can be said for impacts of any large metro.

Fire is the US west is not a modern event, we just have so many more people living in that area of the country than 100 or even 50 years ago. A good read is Timothy Egan's Big Burn. Fire is a pretty unstoppable event.
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Yes, we do know. Climate change is a fact.. happening all over this planet. Not disputable.
 
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isucy86 said:
But do we know these fires are due to climate change? I don't mean to be insensitive or deny that climate change isn't an issue. Weather doesn't follow a consistent pattern, so having a dry fall, which followed a wet early 2024 wouldn't be unusual. To my knowledge, they don't know how the fires started, so it could be power lines, arson, careless person or mother nature.

IMO there is another aspect of human environmental impact and that is humans can build the infrastructure/technology to live anywhere. Is it a good idea 5M people live in Phoenix or 2.5M people in LV? Both in the middle of the desert. Same can be said for SoCal. Is that climate suited for 24M people? And the same can be said for impacts of any large metro.

Fire is the US west is not a modern event, we just have so many more people living in that area of the country than 100 or even 50 years ago. A good read is Timothy Egan's Big Burn. Fire is a pretty unstoppable event.
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Cause? Not necessarily. Fires always happen. But increased intensity, duration, severity, and speed? Yes.

It kills me the lengths we as a species will go to in order to avoid what stares us in the face. Including the fact this will probably get reported or deleted for being political. The sky is blue, guys. Water is wet. And the one place we can live is throwing up a lot of warning lights.
 
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cowgirl836 said:
Cause? Not necessarily. Fires always happen. But increased intensity, duration, severity, and speed? Yes.

It kills me the lengths we as a species will go to in order to avoid what stares us in the face. Including the fact this will probably get reported or deleted for being political. The sky is blue, guys. Water is wet. And the one place we can live is throwing up a lot of warning lights.
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Are you denying that there was terrible environmental management in California?
 
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fcclone said:
Are you denying that there was terrible environmental management in California?
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not that was likely the primary (or even secondary) cause of this.

also most of the land management issues that get brought up are federal land issues, but people love to bring this up to bash california because 'California bad'
 
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alarson said:
not that was likely the primary (or even secondary) cause of this.

also most of the land management issues that get brought up are federal land issues, but people love to bring this up to bash california because 'California bad'
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Curious to hear how you mitigate 100mph winds across 8 months of drought ridden land. Next they can tell us the ways NC ****** up and asked for that flooding.
 
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