***OFFICIAL CFP Rankings Show Watch Thread***
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So is Kansas the sleeper cell of ESPN? lol
No, but if you think of Kansas in terms of pre Lance Leopold, they're just not the same (at all). I think they had some adjustments this year after losing their stud offensive coordinator, but they're legit good. Middle of the pack in any P4 conference good anyway.
Massey has BS & Tulane SOS essentially the same -- mid 70's. Ours is 50, but projected to 44 with KSU game.
Threw the baby (BCS) out with the bathwater (no playoffs) so the criteria for selection could be subjective ($$$$$).
I don’t disagree with what you are saying but also kind of making my point. Perception still carries too much weight 3 months into the season, which I know will not go away, but it gets frustrating as a fan. Too many people in the media just paints a broad brush that the Big 12 stinks and is having a rough year but the ratings show it’s not too far from the rest of leagues (idk which system is the best tbh):
Sagarin: Big 12 best conference behind SEC
Massey: 3rd behind SEC Big 10
FPI: this one is weird but it’s often used
Big 12: 9 teams in top 40
Big 10: 8
ACC: 5
MWC: 1
Idk there isn’t a perfect answer or argument and I’m not even disagreeing with your post but the goalposts weekly. Indiana came out of nowhere and has shed their “perception” (kind of) but since they play in the Big 10 it’s fine. No one wants to mention that Iowa State will have a better Big 10 win than they do when the season ends. I am not saying that they should get left out. 11-1 should get in but their resume just isn’t impressive but they get the benefit of the doubt. When no Big 12 team gets that. Don’t get me started on BSU and Tulane that is a joke.
TL;DR **** ESPN and bring back the BCS.
Committee hates big 12. Chris was saying that all year and people were calling him a secret hawk lol
Thank you
For proving how meaningless the Preseason Rankings are.
Even though you hate them.
Here's how it works:
ISU beats #24 KSU.
ISU fans: "HEY, a top-25 win!"
KSU drops out of the final rankings due to the loss.
CFP committee: "Nope, not a top-25 win."
Well that’s the way it works? Do you think teams should get credit for beating a team just because they were ranked at some point?
I guess this could work once the cfb playoff rankings are out, might make a little sense then and would fix some of the preseason ranking issues.
I’m pretty sure the BCS rankings have the Big12 teams in the exact same place. It was on one of the threads on here.
Btw I don’t know where you got the Indiana idea but if they had the same number of losses as the Big12 teams they would have almost the exact same ranking. They haven’t shed anything after that lose to OSU that everyone was predicting. The are a schedule darling that executes really well when not playing top tier talent
The thing is, no one cares about those rankings the computer gives unless they are trying to prove they are undervalued. Their systems like all systems have bias.
From an outsider the biggest problem is that the Big12 just doesn’t have any great teams and when 3 out of the top 4 teams are new additions (that many forget are in the Big12) who were nothing special before it continues that idea of the conference being down.
Need a couple teams to have some sustained level of success and that could change, or have Prime just stay in Colorado and the media will drag them there.
The top 5 teams in the Big 12 are
4-1 Out of Conference vs P4 and Tulane.
Not sure that meets the “rough year” category.
Oh by the way, all 5 of the games were ON THE ROAD.
W Iowa State at Iowa
W Arizona State at Mississippi State
W BYU at SMU
W Kansas State at Tulane
L Colorado at Nebraska
What happened to the “We Value Winning” narrative?
4-1 Out of Conference vs P4 and Tulane.
Not sure that meets the “rough year” category.
Oh by the way, all 5 of the games were ON THE ROAD.
W Iowa State at Iowa
W Arizona State at Mississippi State
W BYU at SMU
W Kansas State at Tulane
L Colorado at Nebraska
What happened to the “We Value Winning” narrative?
I think we are kind of saying the same thing?
Perception weighs more heavily than most things.
It literally only that the teams that were ranked in July to be the top teams in the Big 12 are bad and new faces are there instead. If OSU, Utah, KSU had the same record as ISU, ASU, and BYU they would be ranked much higher than we are now.
If you take the top teams from just about any conference this same rule will apply though.
Problem is the non conference is the beginning of the season so the teams that were ranked had losses and none of these current top 5 (outside Kstate) were in the top 5 to start where the other leagues were fairly consistent having a top. It’s stupid but that’s a psyc narrative that many will follow.
Which goes to show how bogus the preseason rankings are.
And it’s not like ACC didn’t have a flip flop with Florida State and SMU?
And SMU is one of the Big 12 wins.
I guess if you start all of the Big 12 favorites in the Top 5 and Top 10 preseason , it would help?
