I really don’t see a world where Tulane gets in unless there is more chaos in the Big12.
Honestly Kansas screwed the conference more then anyone, which is a wild sentence in and of itself
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Honestly Kansas screwed the conference more then anyone, which is a wild sentence in and of itself
The committee is citing a narrow win vs a 2-9 Wyoming team is okay because Wyoming is a “tough environment”.
These are not serious people.
It never was and they never were serious about any of this.
I just can’t wrap my mind why the Big 12 is somehow the horse that is getting kick down and not the ACC, MWC, and AAC. I expected the SEC and Big 10 and honestly don’t have that many gripes on how they are handling them. Yet somehow the Big 12 is being considered lower than the AAC and MWC
I don't have the energy to worry too much about this, unless Iowa State is the Big 12 champion and gets left out of the field. And then I'll probably have a coronary about the whole thing.
But it is stupid. It's not like the Big 3 in the Big 12 are 6-5 or something like that. Every other team doesn't get punished for a bad loss, but somehow we still do.
A few things I have noted with all the rankings. The CFB thinks the Big 12 is worse because Texas and OU aren’t there in football. Hearing the “experts” on ESPN, they think the conference is still stuck in the 90/early 00s.
Second, the early season rankings had a lot of Big 10/SEC schools ranked high that have fallen off and have bad records. But, because they are in the league it is considered “quality wins”. It is funny how all that works out.
Also, lack of penalties for losing late in the season if you have name recognition.
Overall this championship and playoff is more about who ESPN wants in and money versus who is deserving.
Just hoping for a 10 win season and the first conference championship.
Second, the early season rankings had a lot of Big 10/SEC schools ranked high that have fallen off and have bad records. But, because they are in the league it is considered “quality wins”. It is funny how all that works out.
Also, lack of penalties for losing late in the season if you have name recognition.
Overall this championship and playoff is more about who ESPN wants in and money versus who is deserving.
Just hoping for a 10 win season and the first conference championship.
I wasn’t worked up about it until this week but getting left could be disastrous for the league perception wise, narrative wise, branding wise, and overall reputation.
It’s sort of like politics (not trying to cave). People will believe what they want to believe and if they hear something enough (Big 12 is a G5 that is worse than the AAC and MWC) they will start to believe that as well.
If you think we got the shaft in early season AP polls this year wait until next year.
They need to change it so that the G5 just always gets the 5th autobid. The Big12 may be having a rough year but even with the new additions the competition week in and week out is on another level then these G5 teams are facing.
Boise I can see the convoluted logic a bit but Tulane is a hard no. G5 teams honestly shouldn’t even be allowed to be ranked in the top 25
In your opinion, why do you think the Big 12 is having a rough year?
Well here lies the problem - only the Big 12 earns the "rough year" narrative when we beat up on each other. The Big 10 and SEC call it loaded with competitive balance.
It is because CFB has built in bias for brand names. Because no one can objectively say that the Big 12 is having a "rough year" and the SEC is not. When Big 12 teams beat up on each other, its because the Big 12 sucks. When the SEC does it, its because they are so good...logic makes no sense.
No one is saying the Big 12 is on the SEC's level - because its not. But it is crazy that teams like Boise State (1 decent win against UNLV), Tulane (losses to the #6 team in the Big 12 and #13 team in the SEC), and SMUs (loss to BYU at home) of the world get the benefit of the doubt, where as no one in the Big 12 does at all.
SEC you can make the argument for this year but the big ten doesn’t have too many losses for their top teams this year. No one is really making an argument for any big ten team to be ranked outside the top 4.
I agree with this. The B10 cream of the crop have earned their rankings imo. They’re going to have, at-most, a 1-loss champion. Even though PSU and Indiana have played no one, their resume stacks up in the top 12 imo (PSU probably shouldn’t be as high as they are, but still a top-12 team resume wise). I’m also ok with SMU and Miami too. Even Boise I’m ok with being in the top 12 if they win out.
And yes, given how the B12 has performed, I’m ok with it being a 1-bid league. I don’t think we’re getting screwed if we only have one representative (if we get locked out altogether that’s a whole other story).
But Tulane, they should not even be a factor. And 3-loss SEC teams can get the hell out.
Outside of KSU all of the Big12 teams that started the season ranked **** the bed, some in catastrophic ways. Many of these loses were also out of conference so you don’t even get the credit of having a conference team get a ranked win (at the time). Yes preseason rankings are stupid, I hate them but they aren’t going away and they reflect perception when you have so few points of data.
The top Big12 teams hadn’t beaten any ranked teams (outside of BYU) for most of the season which hurts perception further. Just now are we starting to see wins coming against fellow ranked Big12 teams.
You also have the Kansas problem. Who is one of those teams that spectacularly **** the bed but then wiped out 3 ranked Big12 teams in a row. What makes it worse is that it happens late in the season instead of earlier in the season when there could have been more ambiguity of how good Kansas was.
Most of those issues are just dumb luck that could easily swung in other directions that would paint a very different picture.
One area though that is going to be very hard to fix is the perceived (and somewhat real) perception problem from the talent standpoint. The Big12 is just really bad at recruiting currently outside of Colorado and that also helps shape perception and preseason rankings. Stupid yes, but when you add that to adding the equivalent of 6 G5 schools to a conference you’re already battling a perception problem.
Again Big12 should be in over any G5 program always, the Tulane ranking is idiotic and shouldn’t be allowed.
It’s year one so all the teams thrown together are very similar right now. This should work itself out eventually over time as recruiting battles shape up and a perception hierarchy starts developing for the league.
The Big 10 has had 100 years to make Purdue, NW, Illinois, MN, Mich. St, Iowa, Nebby, Wisconsinetc perfectly mediocre that tOSU & Michigan & PSU (and now Oregon) reap all those benefits. That sense of “they’re fine, pretty decent programs” goes a long ways. We don’t have any of that yet. We may never get it honestly.
That’s fair, I don’t have an issue against Ohio State or Oregon at this time.
KU, Utah, Okie state predicted in top 10-15 and if KU doesn't win a road game this year, all 3 are not even bowl teams.
Tech, Baylor and TCU are just meh...combined with some teams that are just not good.
if it wasn't for BYU, ISU, ASU and Colorado, the league would be a crap show
Year 1 of the 12 team playoffs was not a great year to have an off year for the league.
If it wasn’t for Ohio state, Oregon, Indiana and Penn state the Big 10 would be a crap show too.
Iowa is the 4th best team but yet we get bashed for that being a bad win.
