Asking again: Has the rot started to set in?

[12191987]

That makes no sense.

It is a joke.

The Fiesta win was 1/2/2021. The first bowl game was 12/21/2020, so it was played during the second weekend of the postseason.

TJ has “only” made it to the Sweet Sixteen, which is the first of two games during the second weekend of the tournament.

 

[awd4cy]

There isn't one. Because there's a lot of good coaches argument is frankly one of the dumbest ones yet. Its the kind of argument that got Chizik hired. I have an opportunity to marry a Swedish super model, win the lottery and in theory own a professional soccer club. Will I? Probably not. But I have the opportunity! In theory. Hypothetically. Which is all any list is.

A) Sure, they'd have the opportunity. Opportunity to succeed or fail, who knows, but its an opportunity! We might be great, we might suck, but hey, at least we won't be simply good.

B) They'd actually have to be interested. Going to at best the 3rd best conference, a mile behind the first two in revenue, to a place that just fired its winningest coach in history while still winning, without a off-the field incident anyone knows about... yeah, good luck finding the cream of the crop being interested.

C) I could throw random a** names out my butt all damn day. I could say Alex Golesh. I could say Nick Saban's coming out of retirement. I could say I am going to dig up Bear Bryant's body and bring him back from the dead. That's the fun part , I guess, of a fan when you want a coach fired is that you can literally pretend that person X,Y and Z would be interested when in reality.

Person X is holding out for a job in the big 10 cause that's where home is
Person Y isn't interested because he's making the same mount as a coordinator in the SEC
And person Z, maybe he's interested but he's also got 3-4 other job offers that he might be interested in


Not to mention, then after firing a coach, you also have to magically find and put together a competent staff, which is MORE important than the head coach himself, IMO.


All while creating a culture and atmosphere.


I'm not CMC or Bear Bryant or Nick Saban. But even while its been at a small college level or lower, I've been a coach long enough to know that this idea that you simply fire a coach and replace another one and you'll do better is about the same as someone thinking if I pick the number 8 instead of the number 5 I'll win the lottery.


Again. Its fine to want to see more motion, better use of time outs, pole dancing, whatever... that's fine. If you want Heacock to blitz granny from Section 28 row 49 wearing knee high knickers, all of that is fine.


But this idea that you simply fire a coach bring in someone new and that you surpass this and "oh, I've got a list" sure. I've got a list too. And ain't one of them going to come to Iowa State, be interested in Iowa State or do better at Iowa State, IMO.

Why did we fire Rhoads? He was a local guy who loved it here. Nobody wanted to come here cause we are Iowa State.

 

[Gunnerclone]

There isn't one. Because there's a lot of good coaches argument is frankly one of the dumbest ones yet. Its the kind of argument that got Chizik hired.

A) Sure, they'd have the opportunity. Opportunity to succeed or fail, who knows, but its an opportunity! We might be great, we might suck, but hey, at least we won't be simply good.

B) They'd actually have to be interested. Going to at best the 3rd best conference, a mile behind the first two in revenue, to a place that just fired its winningest coach in history while still winning, without a off-the field incident anyone knows about... yeah, good luck finding the cream of the crop being interested.

C) I could throw random a** names out my butt all damn day. I could say Alex Golesh. I could say Nick Saban's coming out of retirement. I could say I am going to dig up Bear Bryant's body and bring him back from the dead. That's the fun part , I guess, of a fan when you want a coach fired is that you can literally pretend that person X,Y and Z would be interested when in reality.

Person X is holding out for a job in the big 10 cause that's where home is
Person Z isn't interested because he's making the same mount as a coordinator in the SEC
And person Z, maybe he's interested but he's also got 3-4 other job offers that he might be interested in


Not to mention, then after firing a coach, you also have to magically find and put together a competent staff, which is MORE important than the head coach himself, IMO.


All while creating a culture and atmosphere.


I'm not CMC or Bear Bryant or Nick Saban. But even while its been at a small college level or lower, I've been a coach long enough to know that this idea that you simply fire a coach and replace another one and you'll do better is about the same as someone thinking if I pick the number 8 instead of the number 5 I'll win the lottery.


Again. Its fine to want to see more motion, better use of time outs, pole dancing, whatever... that's fine. If you want Heacock to blitz granny from Section 28 row 49 wearing knee high knickers, all of that is fine.


But this idea that you simply fire a coach bring in someone new and that you surpass this and "oh, I've got a list" sure. I've got a list too. And ain't one of them going to come to Iowa State, be interested in Iowa State or do better at Iowa State, IMO.

The fans are literally paying players, conferences are crumbling, TV and the SEC and BIG are colluding to destroy the competition, magically the playoff goes from 4 to 12 and all of this has happened in the span of like 3 years. Things change. Things change rapidly. Where some see potential failure others see potential opportunity.

That’s the difference in the two sides that are arguing in this thread. One side says no one can take us to the next level, they KNOW it. The other side is saying sure there could be failure, things could stay the same, things could even get better, let’s just try because of all the things I mentioned above. That’s called being open to change. And in life or sports or whatever it may be, I’m always open to change. It’s the thinking that separates the educated from the plebes. Ask CW about it. If you aren’t changing you’re dying. That’s why he set up Iowa Everywhere, that’s why he’s doing his racing thing. That’s why the CF site evolves and changes to meet a changing clientele and its own needs.

 

[awd4cy]

It is a joke.

The Fiesta win was 1/2/2021. The first bowl game was 12/21/2020, so it was played during the second weekend of the postseason.

TJ has “only” made it to the Sweet Sixteen, which is the first of two games during the second weekend of the tournament.

Yeah, har har. Don’t you mean 3rd weekend for football since bowl games start like the 15th?

 

[awd4cy]

I DEMAND A LIST DAMNIT!!!!!!!!

 

[Stormin]

Why did we fire Rhoads? He was a local guy who loved it here. Nobody wanted to come here cause we are Iowa State.

Campbell wanted to come here. We got lucky. We caught lightning in a bottle. All the things he has accomplished and he is not quite 45. He is a legendary coach for Iowa State.

 

[awd4cy]

Campbell wanted to come here. We got lucky. We caught lightning in a bottle. All the things he has accomplished and he is not quite 45. He is a legendary coach for Iowa State.

Yes, of the 100s of coaches in FBS and FCS there was only 1 that wanted to come here. We are Iowa State. Nobody would come here.

 

[State2015]

I DEMAND A LIST DAMNIT!!!!!!!!

By firing Campbell, you’re taking a huge financial hit due to buyout and a new salary for the new coach (which will need to be higher than what we’re paying CMC if we want anyone with a pulse).

You would think if you’re making a move that will cost tens of millions of dollars, you’d have a plan, or maybe, a list

 

[Stormin]

The fans are literally paying players, conferences are crumbling, TV and the SEC and BIG are colluding to destroy the competition, magically the playoff goes from 4 to 12 and all of this has happened in the span of like 3 years. Things change. Things change rapidly. Where some see potential failure others see potential opportunity.

That’s the difference in the two sides that are arguing in this thread. One side says no one can take us to the next level, they KNOW it. The other side is saying sure there could be failure, things could stay the same, things could even get better, let’s just try because of all the things I mentioned above. That’s called being open to change. And in life or sports or whatever it may be, I’m always open to change. It’s the thinking that separates the educated from the plebes. Ask CW about it. If you aren’t changing you’re dying. That’s why he set up Iowa Everywhere, that’s why he’s doing his racing thing. That’s why the CF site evolves and changes to meet a changing clientele and its own needs.

No. What I am saying is that Campbell gives us our best shot at winning a championship. Despite what you feel his weaknesses are, his strengths are far greater. Campbell does make changes. Change just for the sake of change is not necessarily a good thing. We are 8-2 with a young improving squad. The future is bright.

 

[rochclone]

The fans are literally paying players, conferences are crumbling, TV and the SEC and BIG are colluding to destroy the competition, magically the playoff goes from 4 to 12 and all of this has happened in the span of like 3 years. Things change. Things change rapidly. Where some see potential failure others see potential opportunity.

That’s the difference in the two sides that are arguing in this thread. One side says no one can take us to the next level, they KNOW it. The other side is saying sure there could be failure, things could stay the same, things could even get better, let’s just try because of all the things I mentioned above. That’s called being open to change. And in life or sports or whatever it may be, I’m always open to change. It’s the thinking that separates the educated from the plebes. Ask CW about it. If you aren’t changing you’re dying. That’s why he set up Iowa Everywhere, that’s why he’s doing his racing thing. That’s why the CF site evolves and changes to meet a changing clientele and its own needs.

Change for sake of change is exactly what a plebe would do. I do not believe we are close to maxing out under Campbell and in the meantime he has raised the mean expectation from 5.5 wins to 7.5 wins. Perhaps in five more years it gets moved to 8.5 wins. He has evolved on offense and defense over the years. But I believe you to have an agenda so it’s not worth continuing the discourse. Hopefully we win a few games to end the year and we can wait until 2025 for the rotters to revisit us.

 

[sp8815]

The complainers here have only played football via video games or get their jollies off by arguing asinine takes. Mostly, I think they desire to be seen as smart and so the only way they believe they can do that is have an opinion that differs from the majority.

It’s a little sad, and not a great way to live your life, but it’s great that they have an outlet like CF to give them some emotional comfort in what must otherwise be a very depressing life.

Matt Campbell is the best thing to ever happen to ISU football. There is no serious opinion that could deny that. Is every decision perfect, of course not, but he and his staff (who have stayed mainly intact for the 1st time ever following an ISU coach having success) are a perfect fit for ISU.

 

[alarson]

You are a blowhard. Complain and ***** constantly. You have no list of viable candidates. Mindless idiot.

I mean, I don't want him fired (nor is his seat anywhere near hot), but I think anyone doing the "give me a list" thing is pretty idiotic.

Dumb people asked the same question during the prohm era too. And the rhoads era. It isn't ever random fans job to have that list any more than it is customers job to know how to fix things in the kitchen when the food comes out tasting like ****.

 

[rochclone]

By firing Campbell, you’re taking a huge financial hit due to buyout and a new salary for the new coach (which will need to be higher than what we’re paying CMC if we want anyone with a pulse).

You would think if you’re making a move that will cost tens of millions of dollars, you’d have a plan, or maybe, a list

I mean, I don't want him fired (nor is his seat anywhere near hot), but I think anyone doing the "give me a list" thing is pretty idiotic.

Dumb people asked the same question during the prohm era too. And the rhoads era. It isn't ever random fans job to have that list any more than it is customers job to know how to fix things in the kitchen when the food comes out tasting like ****.

This isn’t true at all @alarson. I was the lead proponent of a change with Prohm and I was happy to provide a list of 5-10 mid major coaches including TJ that would make sense. If you are serious about and know football or basketball you can formulate a list of mid majors that make sense.

 

[madguy30]

Best team during the conference season. But not champions.

What should we do with the 2004 Big 12 Conference North Division Co-Champions Trophy?

Yikes.

Yeah, how about you crank up your dysfunction levels to make a terrible comparison with something that existed, vs. something that doesn't.

You mean the trophy that was awarded for something that was actually a thing awarded by the conference?

Can you point me to where to find the official regular season conference championship recognition for Iowa State in 2020, as recognized by any sort of association? Please do so.

Iowa State didn't even unofficially claim it.

There has never been a regular season Big 12 Champion for football. It's never been an award. It's not a thing, and it wasn't a thing in the Covid year.

 

[Stormin]

I mean, I don't want him fired (nor is his seat anywhere near hot), but I think anyone doing the "give me a list" thing is pretty idiotic.

Dumb people asked the same question during the prohm era too. And the rhoads era. It isn't ever random fans job to have that list any more than it is customers job to know how to fix things in the kitchen when the food comes out tasting like ****.

Prohm. Rhoads. Campbell. They are not the same. Campbell is an era of winning records that is still ascending. Prohm and Rhoads eras descended to the bottom. Prohm was the worst. Took us from the penthouse to the sewer.

 

[State2015]

I mean, I don't want him fired (nor is his seat anywhere near hot), but I think anyone doing the "give me a list" thing is pretty idiotic.

Dumb people asked the same question during the prohm era too. And the rhoads era. It isn't ever random fans job to have that list any more than it is customers job to know how to fix things in the kitchen when the food comes out tasting like ****.

I just want the rotters to realize that the competent HC pool is pretty shallow, and there’s 50+ schools that can outpay ISU. By making them provide a list, they hopefully realize that. I don’t think it’s that crazy

 

[ClonerJams]

 

[Gunnerclone]

I just want the rotters to realize that the competent HC pool is pretty shallow, and there’s 50+ schools that can outpay ISU. By making them provide a list, they hopefully realize that. I don’t think it’s that crazy

What if Matt Campbell took a different job after the season? WE DEMAND A LIST!!!

 

[rochclone]

What if Matt Campbell took a different job after the season? WE DEMAND A LIST!!!

How happy would you be?

 

[Gunnerclone]

How happy would you be?

For a list? Not as happy as you lol.