"Substitution" rules?
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I had no problem with what Cincy did. Did they exploit an imperfect part of the game? Sure. Was it our own damn fault we let them? You bet. It's an unforced error equivalent to a false start in my book. Take the 5 yard penalty or burn a time out and move on.
Yeah That was my argument. We ran our 11th guy on to the field and the official stood over the ball for well north of 5 seconds before Cinci even considered subbing. It should be a hard 10 seconds period. That extra point is one of the worst cases of abusing the rule I've seen and that speaks volumes considering we've seen Gundy play this game.
It's a fair discussion though. I think we can all agree that the rule/intent need to be evaluated. If the rule is ten seconds then it's ten seconds, not fifteen... As soon as the 10 second run off occurs the offense should be able to snap the ball.
Be on top of what is happening and neither one would have been an issue.
****** they did it but so what if they exploited a rule.
I do not like the 10 second rule as it is just another thing to manage for both the teams and officials.
****** they did it but so what if they exploited a rule.
I do not like the 10 second rule as it is just another thing to manage for both the teams and officials.
That's a terrible comparison. With review the officiating crews rarely get targeting wrong. The review process literally takes out the subjectivity.
Good teams abuse the rulebook. Good leagues change the rulebook so it can't be abused
I disagree that the replay official is rarely wrong on targeting reviews.
Well if anyone is wondering they should consult the rulebook specifically Rule 3 Section 5 Article 2 c. My recollection of play is substitute comes on from box, Cincinnati player needing to go out goes diagonal back across the field of play to their box not directly to sideline (similar to a 90 cart path rule on golf) . Should of been a five yard penalty on defensive for illegals substitution with how the outgoing player left the field.
I say next time send an offensive player out to cut him at his knees if outgoing player is going diagonal to his box, just use the our offensive guy is "just lining up" and a he "Shouldn't of been there by rules" and let's see what happens.
I say next time send an offensive player out to cut him at his knees if outgoing player is going diagonal to his box, just use the our offensive guy is "just lining up" and a he "Shouldn't of been there by rules" and let's see what happens.
Yep, that one OSU Game Gundy did that perfectly, shortly after, we started exploiting the rule as well.
As i said on BlueSky, hate it when it's used against us, but love it when we use it.
I'm not saying it's 100% perfect, but they rarely get targeting wrong with review. More times than not we as fans don't interpret the rule as it's written.
So obviously our offense hasn't figured this out yet.
Any officiating experts out there? Curious if this rule applies regardless of situation. Thinking end of game scenario. Offense needs a FG, get tackled in bounds on 3rd down with 10-15 seconds left, knowing they will need to rush their FG unit onto the field to get the kick off. Can the defense sub and stall out the remainder of the game?
Any officiating experts out there? Curious if this rule applies regardless of situation. Thinking end of game scenario. Offense needs a FG, get tackled in bounds on 3rd down with 10-15 seconds left, knowing they will need to rush their FG unit onto the field to get the kick off. Can the defense sub and stall out the remainder of the game?
There is no sub rule to get a game winning/tying kick off. I'll see if I can find the exact verbage
I was wrong. Technically, the refs just expect the defense to be ready for it and don't hold the ball. 3rd full comment
Was texting with my dad about this when we had to burn a timeout in the 2nd half. I'd like to see the rule changed to give the defense a set amount of time, but until then we need to.do a better job getting packages on the field quickly so a slow-subbing defense doesn't put us at risk of a delay.
On both of ISU's wasted timeouts in the first half, the official is already holding play with :17 on the play clock -- meaning ISU has completed its substitution.
The first time, Utah's DL comes out with :09 and doesn't reach the LOS until :04, when ISU calls TO.
The second time, Utah doesn't even send a guy out until :06 -- and again, it's a DL who barely reaches a trot.
The rule reads "Team B must react promptly with its substitutes."
The officials have the authority to call delay of game on the defense "for not completing its substitutions promptly." First offense is 5 yards (delay). Additional offenses are 15 yards (unsportsmanlike).
The first time, Utah's DL comes out with :09 and doesn't reach the LOS until :04, when ISU calls TO.
The second time, Utah doesn't even send a guy out until :06 -- and again, it's a DL who barely reaches a trot.
The rule reads "Team B must react promptly with its substitutes."
The officials have the authority to call delay of game on the defense "for not completing its substitutions promptly." First offense is 5 yards (delay). Additional offenses are 15 yards (unsportsmanlike).
The problem is the officials I have seen in every game I have watched so far this year have failed to call out the defense for slow walking the substitution. They have to see what is happening but must be afraid to make a call.
KidSilverhair
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The officials also can use their judgment to just reset the play clock if the defense is abusing the rule. The problem is they rarely exercise that judgment because they know they’ll get yelled at by that team/fans.
