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[t-noah]

Things go differently vs Iowa and UCF, and we're 5-4 right now. The what if game can be played in perpetuity.

We're NEVER going to experience 10 wins. Ever.

Seems like a pretty harsh, absolute statement, uttered after a loss.

I get it, but don't agree with you. It could happen and if it doesn't it wouldn't surprise me. I'm not going to whine about it though.

We still have a chance of doing it, this year alone. Many years to come and who knows?

 

[ClubCy]

Dominant team? No, I never thought that. Though blowing out the first few conference teams made me think that we might.

We are far away in one aspect that even the UCF, Tech, to some degree West Virginia, and now Kansas have shown.

We're not nearly athletic enough. Yes, injuries obviously are a big part of that.

But even with our starting LB's... IDK if I'd say any of them are uber athletic.

When was the last time someone broke through the second level and it wasn't a TD or super long gain? We have got to find a way to get a couple more guys who can run like a DP can run. We're never going to have 11 of them, because we aren't Georgia and we aren't Alabama or Ohio State.

We should all know that. But we also need to be faster and more athletic than what we are and it is not just 100% injuries.

Recruiting recruiting recruiting. While it is a fun cute story our current starting linebackers all played class A football in high school. Just doesn’t seem sustainable.

 

[t-noah]

...Indiana is a lot like the ISU job where you can make a lot of money and never feel the pressure to win a championship or get fired. Its Ok to stay at a place you like and are wanted without having a fan base calling for your head if you stumble some.

So true. Yes, if you are a good coach, you can get the very big bucks at a higher P2 school, but the pressure is so high now. Many of these schools have money to burn and both the fans and administration would not hesitate to turn against you if you don't succeed mightily.

Line your pocketbook, yes, but not necessarily your job satisfaction.

Edit: For some, lining their pocketbook is job satisfaction.

 

[BCClone]

They tried that today and when they did they got toasted.

Yep, the backers on the field don’t understand how to blitz

 

[BCClone]

I’d leave the 3 down linemen & stunt one of the 3 LB’s. You can also have a DE cover the flat when an LB stunts. The object is to pressure the QB without tipping where the stunt is coming from.

To be clear, linemen stunt & LB’s blitz. The object is to confuse the O line and mess up the timing of the play. Let’s say the NT & the DE loop with the NT going first. At the same time the LB blitz’s where the NT started. All the gaps are covered whether it’s a pass or run. The object is to get 2 of the OL to get lost and both block 1 of the DL leaving an open gap for the LB to blitz thru or the looping DL to penetrate. Playing straight up generally only works if you have superior talent like the Alabamas or NFL.

Are you talking to yourself out loud here?

 

[swiacy]

Are you talking to yourself out loud here?

I was responding to posts….excuse me for not hitting the “reply”. Thank you for pointing that out, I won’t let it happen again.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Actually not true

ISU has more revenues than K State. Baylor is private and to my knowledge hasn’t disclosed the data.

And amazingly, Iowa State is tied or ahead of all those schools in the conference standings except for one

So the notion ISU can’t compete on football because they don’t have the financial resources is absurd

Here is the last list from NCAA finances, ISU is 5th in the conference for public schools, behind the Arizona schools, Kansas and Utah, but if you take away what Utah and the Arizona schools are getting from the school ISU would be 2nd place behind Kansas.

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.

sportsdata.usatoday.com

 

[t-noah]

Here is the last list from NCAA finances, ISU is 5th in the conference for public schools, behind the Arizona schools, Kansas and Utah, but if you take away what Utah and the Arizona schools are getting from the school ISU would be 2nd place behind Kansas.

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.

sportsdata.usatoday.com

If I were Iowa State I'd only spend $100M/year, bringing in $111M/year. Invest the difference.

In a year or two, I could buy that lake house I've been thinking about.

 

[werdnamanhill]

Here is the last list from NCAA finances, ISU is 5th in the conference for public schools, behind the Arizona schools, Kansas and Utah, but if you take away what Utah and the Arizona schools are getting from the school ISU would be 2nd place behind Kansas.

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.

sportsdata.usatoday.com

Revenue \= NIL support

 

[Gunnerclone]

If I were Iowa State I'd only spend $100M/year, bringing in $111M/year. Invest the difference.

In a year or two, I could buy that lake house I've been thinking about.

Maybe even right next door to the ADs that is begging you every day to participate in the big NIL wealth transfer scam.

 

[TheCaptain]

Yep, the backers on the field don’t understand how to blitz

Understanding and executing are two different things. I see a lot of hesitation(may only be a second or 2} due to inexperienced players.
Send in your resume to join the staff and teach them to understand, since its so easy.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Revenue \= NIL support

The report I listed does not include NIL money, which are at this time outside the schools control, and only what the money that the school is bringing in to the athletic department. ISU is 5th overall, in revenue, but if you look at the Arizona schools and Utah, they are receiving tens of millions more from the university than what ISU is giving the athletic department here in Ames.
Pretty sure the state has hinted that they want ISU and EIU to be self supporting and not receive any money from the university, which both are at this time.

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

We need to hit the portal hard for a WR or two.

If I'm a wr, I'm not transferring to Iowa State....I'd be going to Ole Miss or literally any school that knows how to run an offense in 2024

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

I mentioned to a friend when NIL became a thing that we've probably seen the beginning of the end for ISU football if this is the status quo. ISU doesn't and won't compete in that way. It just won't happen.

After the Purdy/Hall team I have pretty much just watched ISU games because it's something to do, but I don't get invested anymore. That team had already taught me the lesson with way more talent than the following teams.

If you want to get fired up about football that's fine, but just expect to be disappointed in the end. ISU just doesn't have the talent, and now in a lesser conference will struggle to attract better coaches when needed.

It's okay to get invested in basketball, though. ISU can compete in that.

Iowa State and Kansas football have equally talented teams.....we simply were outcoached

 

[Clonefan32]

Can we stop with the “this is the best we’ve ever had and we cannot expect any better talk?” Some might not know this, but Jim Walden and Donnie Duncan didn’t have the facilities, fan support, $$ that we have now, and they played a tougher schedule back then. It’s just a dumb comparison. That is all.

This is dead on. I appreciate the optimism from some, but the whole "how spoiled have we become that we are 7-2 and the sky is falling" crowd. Or that this should be treated as some kind of special season if we get to 8-9 wins.

I honestly think if you took some of those CPR teams that had marginal success that they'd win this conference with our schedule. In his tenure, you had a good 4-5 games every year that you weren't going to win. Baylor, Texas Tech, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Kansas, WVU and Oklahoma State all had runs in the Top 10 during his tenure. It wasn't the same league. There were times where a 7 win season was your absolute ceiling with that schedule.

That's not the case anymore. The Big 12 is bad and we don't even play the 2 best team. It's the easiest schedule we could have ever hoped for. So winning 8 or 9 games this year isn't some kind of monumental success. It just isn't. And trying to just strictly compare wins/losses to claim success prior to our history is nonsense.

 

[Lineup]

we just don't have enough big time donors money talks

 

[BCClone]

Understanding and executing are two different things. I see a lot of hesitation(may only be a second or 2} due to inexperienced players.
Send in your resume to join the staff and teach them to understand, since its so easy.

Didn’t say it was easy, just that they definitely appear to be off whether it’s understanding or execution.

 

[Dgilbertson]

I don't love mediocrity, and with that, I would say ISU has performed above a mediocre level in Campbell's tenure.

In the previous iteration of Big 12 he quickly had ISU playing competitive with the best in the league and eventually raised the talent level and execution to be playing for conference championships.

Going from memory, I believe ISU has performed above pre-season expectations in most of his seasons since arriving.

I would like to believe that ISU can reload and have a much better coach and magically get into the CFP year over year. But I can't help but recognize that the current coach has gotten this program to the point where that's even a possibility.

We're not surprised anymore when we beat, really anyone. Yes if ISU were to face off against Georgia or Alabama and win that would still be met with surprise, but aside from that, not really.

ISU expects to win.

If ISU were to go away from current HC, and it doesn't work out, do we have money for buyouts? Can we afford to throw big money at a possible good hire? and if we have multiple seasons where we struggle, what happens to fan enthusiasm and support?

Campbell has rewarded ISU with more wins than we've ever experienced and loyalty when it seems he could've bolted for elsewhere. I'd like to believe he still has a chance to become our Snyder, but Snyder did have a brief run of national power.

Maybe it won't happen, but I'm not really interested in starting over just because.

 

[madguy30]

Iowa State and Kansas football have equally talented teams.....we simply were outcoached

Coaching for sure. Their pace and aggressiveness on offense is admirable compared to whatever ISU does.

I'd say overall they had an advantage about everywhere on offense position wise.

They don't have Higgins and Noel but they seemed to have more speed overall in the WRs to spread it out.

OL was at least better coached if not more talented. Certainly more succinct.

Neal may be the best back in the Big 12.

Not sure how they couldn't get right in their first few games but I think they'll be a tough out the rest of the way.

 

[ISUTex]

And yet ISU is near the top of the conference standings…

For now. It's not looking good. Going to need to stay healthy in order to compete. No depth.