Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

Gonzo

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you might want to look up the size of UT, state of Texas, and viewership for any of their football games.

you are WAY off on this man.

why don't SEC programs all fall apart? i mean they have to go against GA LSU BAMA every year right? How in the world does Ole Miss or Auburn survive?

millions of fans aren't going to stop watching their team simply cause competition is hard.
I never said Texas fans would stop watching Texas. I'm talking about Texas' national brand. That's a different thing.
 

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Yeah that's a really dumb comparison. Lol.
Why? In the current environment, there are 24 or so high caliber programs. There are 40 or so mediocre programs. These high caliber teams are playing the same league of mediocre teams. So it’s similar to having AAA teams playing in the same league as the MLB teams.


What I and many here are suggesting is the future is trending to having these 24 or so teams form their own league. This will then actually increase their branding since they will not be playing these minor league teams.

Quite a valid comparison

Edit: While I see this as a possibility, I hope it doesn’t happen. I prefer regional conferences. But again, $$ is the primary factor in these realignments. Until that changes, a trend towards one super conference will continue
 

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I would rather watch USC play Ohio State than watch USC play Cal. Am I doing this right?

But I don’t really care about either and would rather watch Kansas play Texas Tech. Because those 2 exist in an orbit with my main rooting interest.
 

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I would rather watch USC play Ohio State than watch USC play Cal. Am I doing this right?

But I don’t really care about either and would rather watch Kansas play Texas Tech. Because those 2 exist in an orbit with my main rooting interest.

I think I am going to watch way more Big 12 football than any other conference. I didn’t used to be like this but I expect I will even watch some Arizona-Kansas ESPN+ game over an SEC game of the week, especially if UA or KU are on ISU’s schedule to come that season.
 

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But in a super conference, the general public will have far more interest in all the games within that conference than if they played in a mediocre conference

Tell me… would you rather watch Texas vs Kansas or Texas vs USC?

I love college sports. And typically watch 9-12 hours of college football on Saturdays.

If Iowa State (and thus Big12) aren't a big part of a CFP, I would have very limited interest in Super Conference games.

I'd find other hobbies, binge a series or watch a movie, read a book- a lot of activities than watch Texas vs USC.
 

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Why? In the current environment, there are 24 or so high caliber programs. There are 40 or so mediocre programs. These high caliber teams are playing the same league of mediocre teams. So it’s similar to having AAA teams playing in the same league as the MLB teams.

What I and many here are suggesting is the future is trending to having these 24 or so teams form their own league. This will then actually increase their branding since they will not be playing these minor league teams.

Quite a valid comparison
No it’s not.

1. Reasons why people watch college sports and have rooting interests is very different than pro sports.
2. Texas and Kansas are in the same leagues and play each other because of that. A AAA team and MLB team are not in the same leagues or the same levels.
3. If there is a new separate super league, then there would be no games between the top teams and lower division teams. This would cause fans of lower division teams to lose interest. This is different than pro sports where AAA is a farm system of MLB.
 

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I think the general public has far more interest in a mediocre Texas playing in the Big 12 than a mediocre Texas playing in a superconference. That's the point. In the Big 12, even if Texas is losing, one of the lead stories will always be "Is this the season Texas turns it around and gets back atop the Big 12?" In a superconference, the general public will have far more interest in winning programs named Bama, Georgia, tOSU, LSU than in a perennial bottomdwellar named Texas.

I'd rather watch Texas v. USC. But if they're .500 programs in a superconference, I'm not nearly as interested as I am in the conference's other bluebloods that are actually winning.
So, the irony of this is I remember watching the Texas @ USC football game a few years ago in a bar in Columbus, OH after watching the Buckeyes play somebody. Cannot remember if OSU played Army, Indiana or some other fodder team that day, but by god I remember the Texas @ USC game on TV! FWIW, I have no interest in a super conference. Part of what made the Texas @ USC game special was that they rarely play each other.
 

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Why? In the current environment, there are 24 or so high caliber programs. There are 40 or so mediocre programs. These high caliber teams are playing the same league of mediocre teams. So it’s similar to having AAA teams playing in the same league as the MLB teams.

What I and many here are suggesting is the future is trending to having these 24 or so teams form their own league. This will then actually increase their branding since they will not be playing these minor league teams.

Quite a valid comparison
Well first, using that comparison you're basically calling the Big 12 FCS-level competition. No, I'd not rather watch the Cardinals play a AAA club. But I also don't regard the difference between Texas and the rest of the Big 12 as being the same as a major league club and a minor league club.

But the bigger problem with your approach here is that you're equating preferences in single game viewership with national brand perception. I'd rather watch Iowa v. Utah St. than tOSU v. Michigan. That doesn't mean I regard Iowa or Utah St. as bigger national brands than tOSU or Michigan.
 

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What is going to get a casual fan to watch more likely to watch a game:

2 Top 10 teams coming in at 9-1 or two Top 10 teams where both have 3 losses?

Or how about a Top 25 matchup between 4-5 Texas and 3-6 Nebraska? That will get very high ratings.
There used to be a time where it used to be pure joy to watch Nebraska lose. Now it’s so common that I don’t even care to watch anymore. That is what will happen to some of these programs.
 

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Well first, using that comparison you're basically calling the Big 12 FCS-level competition. No, I'd not rather watch the Cardinals play a AAA club. But I also don't regard the difference between Texas and the rest of the Big 12 as being the same as a major league club and a minor league club.

But the bigger problem with your approach here is that you're equating preferences in single game viewership with national brand perception. I'd rather watch Iowa v. Utah St. than tOSU v. Michigan. That doesn't mean I regard Iowa or Utah St. as bigger national brands than tOSU or Michigan.
You simply don’t understand the disparity between schools/conferences. It’s growing with every realignment. Iowa isn’t immune to future realignment, so long as $$ is the driving force
 

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You simply don’t understand the disparity between schools/conferences. It’s growing with every realignment. Iowa isn’t immune to future realignment, so long as $$ is the driving force
Another interesting pivot.

I do agree that nobody really knows what's going to happen 20 years down the line.
 
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You simply don’t understand the disparity between schools/conferences. It’s growing with every realignment. Iowa isn’t immune to future realignment, so long as $$ is the driving force
When is the last time 60k people attended a AAA baseball game? Yet ISU is in one of those conferences that you are claiming has that disparity. Your analogy does not hold water.
 

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I am saying who knows... anything is possible these days.

I also am saying if they ever came to a super conference, and they had a separate national championship, I am sure there would be another championship for the others not in the super league. Similar to FCS having their own championship.

The other thing is, they still have to fill content spots on media partners. So there will still be B12 football on TV etc. It would not be that much different than today.

It will just be another league, just like we have NFL, FBS, FCS, they all have separate champs. So it would be NFL, SCL (super college league), FBS, FCS. Not plausible that it happens but definitely possible.

The real litmus test is going to be what happens on future contracts that have plateaued or have peaked and begun going down. When there's less of a pie to split X ways is when we will find out just how benevolent the likes of Michigan, Ohio St, Alabama, Georgia, and Texas will continue being toward the rest of their conference.
 

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What is going to get a casual fan to watch more likely to watch a game:

2 Top 10 teams coming in at 9-1 or two Top 10 teams where both have 3 losses?

Or how about a Top 25 matchup between 4-5 Texas and 3-6 Nebraska? That will get very high ratings.
Depends - is the top ten matchup on a platform not easily accessible, like Apple TV?
 
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When is the last time 60k people attended a AAA baseball game? Yet ISU is in one of those conferences that you are claiming has that disparity. Your analogy does not hold water.
Attendance at football games doesn’t matter for these media contracts. People at the game are not watching it on tv