Fans attending Big12 Tourney also stay/eat/drink/spend money in Overland Park, Olathe, Shawnee Mission, etc or out by Speedway.
No comparison between Kansas City vs. Las Vegas being in Big12/16 territory.
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No comparison between Kansas City vs. Las Vegas being in Big12/16 territory.
Fans having to be so spread out like that is a great selling point for having the tourney in Vegas.
I was strictly talking KCMO vs KCK. Love the city as a whole but KCMO far outshines KCK.
Tell me you haven’t been to the tourney in KC without telling me. Or been to Vegas. Probably both.
I love KC but Vegas is great and saying “People will stay at the Hampton Inn in Olathe and eat at Kansas strip mall Chili’s” is not gonna make me think Vegas is a worse option
I’ve only ever stayed within walking distance of P&L for the tournament in KC myself
I would say most fans are staying downtown, ISU, KSU, KU, and OSU fans that drive in obviously can stay further out but I would guess most are staying downtown area.
Didn’t even necessarily have to be Big 12 schools either. Houston and BYU would’ve been solid adds that would’ve kneecapped the B12’s options.
People want to bag on the 4 newcomers from last year but adding them saved the league and got us the TV deal we used for leverage with the 4 corners schools.
The Big10 is all in with linear network media money. That strategy can't be faulted in 2024-2030.
But what happens if streaming/subscription based live sports becomes the norm? Then timeslots on linear channels no longer matter.
Also, there's potential advertising rates will only support a ceiling for conference TV deals. The Big10/SEC might be approaching that ceiling.
If the Big12 can put teams in the CFP that win games, the Big12 has an opportunity to close the $ gap between Big10/SEC.
I don’t know anybody who has stayed outside of a short distance from P&L.
If it was in Vegas I’d never go. Honestly Vegas is fine but it’s not a destination for me.
You can look at the completely empty stadiums for Stanford and Cal and extrapolate that nobody is truly watching them in any way. Same for UCLA actually.
These are great climates with affluent alumni nearby and nobody ever goes. They aren’t watching on tv either. The B10 knows this or Stanford and cal would be in.
It’s not like the Bay Area isn’t a huge market, the Rutgers model just ain’t the future. They want real fanbases and the ACC has more potential for real fans than the bay schools.
That wasn't my original point. When the Big12 hosts championship tournaments, they should be in Big12 communities. Where fan spending LARGELY benefits Big 12 fans that work & own businesses.
You decided to make it a referendum on which was better KCK v KCM.
This is my thinking. We will have 16 teams, Several of them, hopefully ISU, need to step it up like TCU last year and become relevant in the 12-team playoff picture.
If we can regularly have 4 or 5 teams in the top 25, then we should come to be viewed as the 3rd best conference. We may be already. The ACC has Clemson, FSU, maybe Miami, and for now NC. Maybe Wake Forest but that won't last. Then about 10 other teams that are nothing special in football. We just need to perform well as a conference for a few years and our value will (or can) go up.
AZ fans love Vegas but I think partly because they take it over. Would they still love it if rabid fans that care keep their ticket buying around 25% or lower? Probably because it’s only a six hour drive and no ku home advantage.
KC works great enough that it’s at minimum a rotational home half the time. I’d be cool trying Vegas to see if there’s some benefit or it’s a hit, selfishly I could drive there. It’s somewhat neutral which is cool. Ive driven from Vegas to SLC/Provo a few times and it’s drivable but still a bit of a 6 hour-ish trip.
There’s no sense in trying okc or Texas again, if we have to try a new site I’m not sure I can think of a better place than LV.
Well, it's a good thing you're not BY then - don't let personal grudges get in the way of business decisions.
I bet they change their tune when thousands of visiting fans from original big 12 schools come to Tempe for ASU home games and eat at their restaurants and drink at their bars. Probably never heard of such a thing…..
The new geographic center of the Big Ten is 17 miles east of Ames, IA. Always thought we would be a better fit in that conference 
The new geographic center of the Big Ten is 17 miles east of Ames, IA. Always thought we would be a better fit in that conference
The irony of the entire re-alignment drama of the past month is that, if the B1G came calling for ISU, everyone would be hair-on-fire all for it. It would be so awesome to have Nebby, Minnesota, UW, Illinois and EIU as conference rivals. And in most sports, we'd kick their ass non-stop.
