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***Official 2023 Chicago Cubs Thread***

ISUCubswin said:
Happ should be leadoff or bottom 3. He has the highest OBP on the team but one of the worst BAs. Why you would want a guy who takes his walks but can’t score guys from second batting 3rd baffles me.
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It just appears there no rhyme or reason to the lineups he puts out. I think alot of it comes from a lack of a traditional power bat. Even Belly I don't think you want in the typical 4 hole.

For my money, you stick with this 9 and go from there:

1) Tauchman CF
2) Dansby SS
3) Belly 1st
4) Candelario 3rd
5) Nico 2nd
6) Happ LF
7) Gomes/Amaya C
8) Suzuki RF
9) Other of Gomes/Amaya DH (mixing in Morel and moving him up the order when he's in)
 
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Clonefan32 said:
It just appears there no rhyme or reason to the lineups he puts out. I think alot of it comes from a lack of a traditional power bat. Even Belly I don't think you want in the typical 4 hole.

For my money, you stick with this 9 and go from there:

1) Tauchman CF
2) Dansby SS
3) Belly 1st
4) Candelario 3rd
5) Nico 2nd
6) Happ LF
7) Gomes/Amaya C
8) Suzuki RF
9) Other of Gomes/Amaya DH
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I think you platoon Tauchman and Madrigal with Candelario and Bellinger being the defensive adjustments to make it work.
 
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Cubs just made a minor league trade, nabbing Josh Roberson for Manny Rodriguez, Adrian Sampson, and International Bonus Pool Money.

Kind of a head scratcher unless they think Roberson can come up right away.
 
Cyforce said:
Have you even been watching since the AS break?
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Have you looked at the teams they've BEATEN since the All-Star break? They went 1-2 against the BoSox and 0-1 against the Reds. A whopping 3 games against teams with .500+ records. Meanwhile they went 10-3 against the lowly Nats, Cards, and White Sox. Teams that are a combined 49 games below .500.

The Cubs are what they are: are decent to pretty good team that has (mostly) feasted off of sub 500 clubs. Over the course of the seasaon they are 24-38, 23rd in the MLB, against teams with 500 + records. When you look at that list (the latter) you see most of the true contenders at the top of the list. The Cubs aren't there because they ARE NOT a contender.

You need to take your fandom glasses off and be objective. I'm thrilled with the season they've had and think they are working toward a much better future. But this isn't a team good enough to make, let alone win the World Series.

You know what, that's okay. I just don't get not wanting to accept what this team (and it's limits) really are.
 
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ISUCubswin said:
I know I’ll get flack for this but I’m fine with trading Stroman to the next team that inquires about him for a bucket of seeds. Guarantee that extra $21 million for next year for Ohtani.

I don't think he's intentionally sucking, but I absolutely would not be shocked if he was pissed the Cubs weren't offering an extension and he stopped whatever pitching program the Cubs had him on as an "F You."

His first 16 starts, he had 3 performances that had negatively impacted the Cubs win probability. He's had 6 of those performances his last 7.

And as I referenced yesterday, I think there's a reason Bellinger's name was the only one mentioned as being pulled off the block.
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Small starting pitchers, especially ones that have have mileage and previous issues, aren't something that usually hold up very well over the long term. I'm on board.
 
Not to get too off topic, but a friend and I are going to I Cubs Thurs and Fri. Any issues walking up and getting tickets? They sell out? Thanks
 
ZRF said:
Have you looked at the teams they've BEATEN since the All-Star break? They went 1-2 against the BoSox and 0-1 against the Reds. A whopping 3 games against teams with .500+ records. Meanwhile they went 10-3 against the lowly Nats, Cards, and White Sox. Teams that are a combined 49 games below .500.

The Cubs are what they are: are decent to pretty good team that has (mostly) feasted off of sub 500 clubs. Over the course of the seasaon they are 24-38, 23rd in the MLB, against teams with 500 + records. When you look at that list (the latter) you see most of the true contenders at the top of the list. The Cubs aren't there because they ARE NOT a contender.

You need to take your fandom glasses off and be objective. I'm thrilled with the season they've had and think they are working toward a much better future. But this isn't a team good enough to make, let alone win the World Series.

You know what, that's okay. I just don't get not wanting to accept what this team (and it's limits) really are.
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For me, I think the disconnect is that the Cubs have to be able to win the WS to justify adding. I agree you don't want to perpetually be just good enough to make the playoffs but I think there is value in making the playoffs coming off a rebuild.

Returns would be ok for Bellinger and Stroman (who I could get talked into trading anyway) but I don't think we're adding anything we don't already have in the system.
 
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CRcyclone6 said:
Not to get too off topic, but a friend and I are going to I Cubs Thurs and Fri. Any issues walking up and getting tickets? They sell out? Thanks
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Should be fine. They usually only sell out around the 4th of July or maybe if a big name is down for a rehab like Kerry Wood (I know that is a long time ago.) Just order online and save yourself the wait in line at the ticket windows.
 
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ISUCubswin said:
Cubs just made a minor league trade, nabbing Josh Roberson for Manny Rodriguez, Adrian Sampson, and International Bonus Pool Money.

Kind of a head scratcher unless they think Roberson can come up right away.
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Pretty much a non-consequential trade. Sampson was outrighted off the 40 man the other week and Rodriquez isn't on the 40 man and his command is questionable so not sure he was ever going to make it to Chicago. Probably more of clearing some roster spots in the minors to add a guy to take a shot on to see what happens. Nothing more than shuffling the deck a bit with non-40 man minor leaguers who will be free agents.
 
RivClone23 said:
For me, I think the disconnect is that the Cubs have to be able to win the WS to justify adding. I agree you don't want to perpetually be just good enough to make the playoffs but I think there is value in making the playoffs coming off a rebuild.

Returns would be ok for Bellinger and Stroman (who I could get talked into trading anyway) but I don't think we're adding anything we don't already have in the system.
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Like I've said before, I agree with what you're saying. But some (the poster I responded to for example) remain steadfast in being aggressive or see the most recent winning streak for more than it likely is. The Cubs have the 7-8th best record against sub 500 teams. They've slaughtered them over the course of the season. They've conversely struggled against quality competition. When you think (off the top of your head) who the true contenders are, then look at the top of the 500+ record list those teams are there. It perplexes me on how...or why...some can't acknowledge something that's obvious.

To your point I also think it's dumb to trade away guys if the returns are crap. I think anybody not in the team's future plans should be available. If the offer is good you make the deal. If it's not there's no sense in giving something away for "free". I also don't think this team is good enough to acquire pieces that aren't cheap or that can't be made with expendable (player who has others in the system ahead of him who are better).

To summarize the priority is: 1. The future 2. keeping valuable assets 3. Win now 4. Don't give away decent players for scraps. Three and four are probably tied/interchangeable but you get the idea.
 
Cubs are evidently involved in discussions for Brooks Raley from the Mets. Contract lasts through 2026.

Pete Alonso is also reportedly available. Contract would last through next year.

Mervis, Davis, Canario get it done?
 
ISUCubswin said:
Cubs are evidently involved in discussions for Brooks Raley from the Mets. Contract lasts through 2026.

Pete Alonso is also reportedly available. Contract would last through next year.

Mervis, Davis, Canario get it done?
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For Mervis, Davis and Canario, absolutely.
 
cyfanatic13 said:
I wasn’t very sold on the signing but one of my best friends that’s a huge Braves fan talked me into it. He’s just so damn smooth defensively and makes some very tough plays look extremely easy. Javy was flashier but was prone to some errors. Dansby has been pretty clutch at the plate too. Him and Bellinger turned into damn good signings
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The thing that gets me with Dansby is the arm. The knock was that he could get to everything but didn't have an elite arm yet there always seems to be enough there. He almost fools the eye.
 
ISUCubswin said:
Jesse Rogers reporting tonight’s lineup will include Candelario at 1B, Belly to CF, Tauchman RF, Morel DH, Madrigal 3B, Suzuki benched
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Seiya looked visibly lost last night. You start to feel bad for the guy. He's stuck in a cycle where he's guessing instead of trusting his eyes. It's tough to watch.
 
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Levine alluding to Brooks Raley will be our lefty.

Pitched for the Cubs in 2012 and 2013, left the planet for 7 years and reappeared in 2020 and has been solid since.
 
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