Yeah so you put on extra parts and complexity to just make noises when you drive? Seems silly.
Dodge Reveals EV Muscle Car
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Yeah so you put on extra parts and complexity to just make noises when you drive? Seems silly.
16 year olds with fart cans on their cars would think it's dope as **** though.
You can get it turned off but you have to take it in to the dealer for them to do it. I think it's dumb myself but so are most people.
I may be wrong, but aren't those ranges based driving on a flat surface with no head wind or creature comforts (radio, heater, lights) being used?
A 30 mph head wind with the temp at 0 probably changes your range a bit I would think.
Depends on the brand. Tesla probably overinflates their ranges. Ford and others are usually right on or undersell their range.
Cold does make a big difference in range. Those batteries want to be about 60F or warmer to work right so they use some energy to heat the battery pack and some energy to heat the interior. You'll lose about half your range in cold weather.
...or I just build in a half hour to charge and get some El Azteca while my car charges...
Little less convenient? Yes. I'm cool with the $10 it costs me to take our Mach E to Ames vs the $80ish in gas to take my F150.
And if the charging station/s aren't working.........or are taken?
I have driven to many a cyclone event forgetting I needed get gas, get on the road an "oh no".
Just needed to pull over a few miles up the road at the next station to spend 5 minutes and I'm on my way. Does it cost more......yes. Am I willing to pay for that convenience......absolutely. Because your $70 difference is dirt cheap insurance that I'll get from point A to point B with no worries regardless of temp, road conditions, traffic and/or availability/condition of charging station.
There are apps which tell you where all the chargers are/if they're active/if they're being used/etc. The most minimal amount of planning takes care of most of the issues. I'm traveling with our Mach E next weekend. I'll plug it in Thursday night so it's ready for me whenever I decide to leave Friday morning. I'll take about 1 minute to check and see if/where I need to charge and how to work that into my trip. I've charged at hotels, restaurants, gas stations, etc.
The people who crap on EVs crack me up because they have absolutely no idea about the EV experience. Then they get all pissed off about the people who don't have issues because they read on the internet such and such is a HUGE problem. Are EVs perfect? Nope. For 90+% of the population however they'd work juuuust fine in 99% of cases.
I think I've driven over 300 miles one way to a destination at least 6-10 times per year for as long as I can remember.
This summer we drove 17hrs one way to go backpacking for a week in Colorado. Adding more than "a few minutes" to fill up my vehicle to that trip, to charge instead...assuming I can find a station in BFE Kansas or Nebraska or Colorado...that's a deal breaker every time.
Do you own two cars? If so, is there a reason why one of them couldn't be an ICE for those 6-10 times?
Absolutely. But I'm not sure I would necessarily want to give up the flexibility to only be able to use one vehicle of our pair for long trips.
Traveling partner rented a minivan that happened to be a PHEV Pacifica. Range was the same as my ICE vehicle. That would be something we would consider for a mostly-local family vehicle that's also available for long trips. However it would be more ideal if the EV range was closer to 50+ miles rather than ~30. And I wouldn't pay much of a premium to get that technology.
A lot of people have an expensive/larger car for road trips and then a cheaper one that they use for shorter drives. What sucks about the One ICE/One EV method is that they both end up being expensive.
With the exception of the daily operation one, if it's an EV, is a lot cheaper to operate. But I see your point.
If you are only considering daily operation costs, that may be true. If you aren't willing to purchase a brand new vehicle at a premium to a ICE vehicle, the economics are less conclusive.
Every brand new vehicle right now comes at a premium. Try buying a Kia Telluride. They want to charge 3,000 over MSRP to get you in one.
I own one. Des Moines KIA wanted $5k and dealers in TX, CA, and the northeast are asking 7-10k over sticker. I paid sticker back in 2021 but I had to wait 6 months and drive to Minneapolis to get it. The Telluride thing pre dates covid, they just can't keep up.
I'm not crapping on it........my dad has a Mach E as well. We talk of the pro's and con's all the time. It's not for everyone and shouldn't be pushed as such.
As for the EV "experience"..............................it's a car.
This isn't "one small step for man.....one giant leap for mankind".
I think you sidestep the point. Every EV will be at a premium over every comparable ICE for some time.
I'd buy a Tesla tomorrow, but I'm not willing to spend 50k on any vehicle. 2-3 yo Used Tesla cars cost almost as much as new ones, albeit nearly every used one on the market is optioned to the max.
And we have not begun to talk about the limited lifespan of the battery system, which for all intents and purposes does not affect ICE vehicles to the same level.
PHEV is probably the best overall compromise, but again you have to buy a NEW vehicle to get one and that's just not going to happen in my book.
Maybe someday the infrastructure plus technology plus the overall value proposition will catch up, but for me that's several years off.
