Maybe I’m cynical, but I feel like more than a few media people base expansion candidate quality somewhere between “Would I want to visit there?” and “How many t-shirts with their logo do they sell?”
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Thats why I think more protected rivals the better. Easier to balance out protected rival strength. Set each school up with 4-5 protected rivalries and then schedule the remaining games with an eye for creating comparable SOS over the 9 games.
I thought the connection to Pac was also due to being first non P2 up to bid, and likely more attainable.
I do think there likely is more corporate/social overlap with Pac though, and that factors into deals way more than we give it credit for
You mean at least $8 million (high to high comparison), because of T3 rights.
Why wouldn’t they move for $8 million? At that point you’re spending money just to save a rump Pac.
Leave for nearly 33% more, or stay and hope Stanford doesn’t leave and stay in a functional CA-less west coast based conference that’s been decaying for years even before departures.
It makes very little sense to stay if that’s the situation
I think 4/5 protected might be too many as programs do rise and fall. To be fair the cali teams throw off a lot of the math with the protected rivalries but also I think teams would be more open to harder schedules once the playoff expands.
One thing that makes TV money confusing is the Conference TV $, with ESPN, Fox, CBS or NBC are only part of the equation. There is also conference TV money related to championships- BCS Playoffs, Bowls, March Madness, etc. Its a pretty substantial % of the total TV $ for a school.
So when we hear the Big12 got $40M that isn't all from our Big12 agreements with ESPN & Fox.
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The 500-600 million for the big 12 + PAC probably only includes television. I doubt it includes a conference championship game, bowl revenue, CFP, and NCAA bball revenue streams.
I look at the Hawkeyes and their fans would probably like to play: Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois every year. Other than Nebraska, Iowa has probably played those other teams for close to 100 years. Then rotate 5 other teams and try to equalize SOS's.
It seems like fans are getting forgotten in these behemoth conferences. I don't recall if it was last year, but UNC played Wake Forest as a non-conference game. I look at the ACC's proposed new schedule and playing 3 protected rivals seems to minimize the rivalries that already exist and have strong fan interest.
It might be good to make either USC or UCLA a protected rival of every current Big10 school. All depends how many Pac12 teams the Big10 takes.
Yeah they played each other non con because they hadn't played in 5/6 years. I always forget that wake is in NC, having 4 NC schools is insane. Problem with the big ten is every school outside of PSU has rivalries that go back decades but many have become onesided to the point they aren't really a rivalry more just a team you enjoy beating or would hate to lose to.
The PAC Big12 and ACC are basically arguing over which conferences are going to drop their 3-4 lowest performers. If 8 ACC teams get picked up by they Big10 and SEC, that means 6 are left, and half of them are in danger of being left out, so I agree with you that most of the ACC left behinds would vote for this scenario But, If they are relegated to the third tier conference, I don't think teams like Louisville, Pitt, or V-Tech really care if they go with teams like Boston College or Wake Forest. And I think that the Big 12 has by far the most valuable teams at the bottom. That could just be my bias though.
In the end though, what this plan would do is force the PAC schools (minus OSU WSU CAL) to choose whether they want to join the Big 12 with is bottom teams or the ACC with its bottom teams.
Ah yes, good point.
But when others are talking $100M+ per for B1G I am sure that includes all of that too.
Seem like a lot of numbers are being thrown out there. And I have no idea who is including what in them.
Tier 1,2,3. Bowls, playoffs, ads. Conf pay, just tv money?
I think that is part of the problem with all of this, I have seen anywhere from 30-75M being talked about for the Big 12, that is a huge variance. And anywhere from 80-150M for the B1G.
Does anyone actually know, is it just guessing. I think its more of the same... a hell of a lot of guessing, with a lot of media types drastically undervaluing the Big 12 as usual.
That’s less than what we would be just with the 12. He’s throwing again.
A conference tattoo is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
Not saying he’s right, but the four added could certainly have dilutive effect. Pie being divided into more pieces.
On the belly
Were screwed, heading to sporting goods store for an extra small nut cup.
Yes, there is a haggling over which conference is the base of the 3, although that being the Pac is by far the least likely imo. They don’t know who is in, and are in their window with bidders preferring they go east.
You mean if relegated to the middle class, 2nd tier? The better ACC leftovers would likely very much rather continue to play Wake than Iowa St or continue to play their Big East rivals. It would be like thinking Iowa St rather leave kansas st in favor of playing Cuse. Not happening
