AJ Green Leaves the Portal - Staying in Draft

[Jkclone15]

Everyone needs to read this post. Like ACTUALLY REALLY read it. Then use your reading comprehensive skills to grasp the context.

Every time I see someone bring that up it hits deeper. Like beyond the obvious that adding AJ would have helped the following years, adding Kyle would have meant getting Midwest prospects that wouldn't have flamed out like the SE ones that Kane brought. And having Kyle might have allowed Conditt to evolve into the player we saw glimpses of but never fully. And maybe with Kyle on staff he could have helped Prohm implement the defense he wanted but didn't know how to build.

 

[peatyscotch]

Now we need @CyTwins reciting Colonel Nathan Jessup.

"Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, *saves lives*. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a *damn* what you think you are entitled to!"

I shudder when I see Hollywood quoted as if it was real.

 

[IASTATE07]

It's nice to have Rhoho back.

 

[AuH2O]

My God are people still going with the Duke for NBA exposure angle? Have people just come out of a coma that started in 1989 or something?

It’s almost like the top pick last year wasn’t from some school that was on ESPN U and had 5000 at their home games or something. Or that guys from the G League, Baylor, ASU, Stanford and others didn’t get picked before anyone from Duke or Kentucky.

I can assure everyone that the NBA will determine if AJG is NBA caliber on its own and does not need Duke to validate that for them.

Or that if he went to ISU he wouldn’t be playing against the consensus top league that produced the last two national champions.

 

[JP4CY]

It's nice to have Rhoho back.

Minnesota hat with Hok coat? LOL.

 

[GMackey32]

I shudder when I see Hollywood quoted as if it was real.

I shudder when I see people who don’t have a sense of humor

 

[enisthemenace]

So you could've just said you have inside sources telling you he's going or probably going to Duke. That'd be the more direct way to say it.

That isn’t at all what the poster said. Cripes. He is simply saying that from what he has heard on the subject, which is more than he has heard on other subjects, anyone saying that Duke isn’t an option is wrong, per his sources.

Not sure how it’s so difficult.

 

[madguy30]

My God are people still going with the Duke for NBA exposure angle? Have people just come out of a coma that started in 1989 or something?

It’s almost like the top pick last year wasn’t from some school that was on ESPN U and had 5000 at their home games or something. Or that guys from the G League, Baylor, ASU, Stanford and others didn’t get picked before anyone from Duke or Kentucky.

I can assure everyone that the NBA will determine if AJG is NBA caliber on its own and does not need Duke to validate that for them.

Or that if he went to ISU he wouldn’t be playing against the consensus top league that produced the last two national champions.

It's also not like NBA coaches and scouts don't get word on different kids before they even get to a school.

Green's bump from UNI will get him to play better competition regularly and that won't really matter what conference it is so long as it's P6*.

*Now someone will come in with 'but the B12 is the best!' which, sure, is a thing but it's not like really good players aren't all over major college basketball.

 

[madguy30]

Yeah I've said that ever since I came on this site a few years ago. That was when Twins would have new Iowa trolls making accounts like every other week. It was absolutely insane.

Boy did those folks get quiet since late March.

 

[heitclone]

Boy did those folks get quiet since late March.

As is tradition

 

[JM4CY]

It's nice to have Rhoho back.

And his excellent betting insider info.

 

[GMackey32]

As is tradition

Like clockwork

 

[CyPunch]

AJ was always a high major prospect. ISU/Prohm recruited him hard and was his top 5 (possibly even finishing a distant 2nd). He would have had many more HM offers but obviously with Kyle at UNI most coaches didn’t bother to pursue. A lot of fans and media were lobbying for Prohm to hire Kyle when TJ left for SDSU and get AJ too. Prohm ended up hiring Kane and the Green’s stayed Cedar Falls.
That was until Kyle come to Ames last year that is. Now AJ can live that ISU timeline for his last year. We’ll know soon.

A monumental misstep by Steve to not hire Kyle and get 4 years of AJ. Especially considering Kyle is a very good assistant with strong Midwest ties. One player of that caliber can have a major impact in college basketball. AJ next to Tyrese in 2019-2020 might of been good enough to keep CSP's head above water for a couple more years...

 

[gocubs2118]

A monumental misstep by Steve to not hire Kyle and get 4 years of AJ. Especially considering Kyle is a very good assistant with strong Midwest ties. One player of that caliber can have a major impact in college basketball. AJ next to Tyrese in 2019-2020 might of been good enough to keep CSP's head above water for a couple more years...

I am ok with how everything turned out. Everyone is where they are supposed to be right now and Prohm hiring KG might have screwed that up.

 

[CoachHines3]

I am ok with how everything turned out. Everyone is where they are supposed to be right now and Prohm hiring KG might have screwed that up.

if fred never left for the bulls then prohm would have never been hired and then prohm would have never hired kane and then after that prohm would have never went back to back losing seasons which in turned resulted in him getting fired and then that would have prevented tj from being hired and in turn hiring kyle green as an assistant which would have resulted in us not getting aj green.

wow

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Kyle may also have decided against the jump at that point. UNI had just brought in the core of the class that won the first Valley title and his daughter was still in high school, combine that with having no history with Prohm and I don't think he jumps at the job the same way he jumped when TJ offered.

 

[Rabbuk]

Kyle may also have decided against the jump at that point. UNI had just brought in the core of the class that won the first Valley title and his daughter was still in high school, combine that with having no history with Prohm and I don't think he jumps at the job the same way he jumped when TJ offered.

What's the connection between tj and kyle?

 

[Sigmapolis]

A monumental misstep by Steve to not hire Kyle and get 4 years of AJ. Especially considering Kyle is a very good assistant with strong Midwest ties. One player of that caliber can have a major impact in college basketball. AJ next to Tyrese in 2019-2020 might of been good enough to keep CSP's head above water for a couple more years...

That is an interesting counterfactual to consider.

Freshman Green would have been in a crowded backcourt of --

Haliburton
Horton-Tucker
Shayok
Weiler-Babb
Wigginton

I am not sure who Green surpasses as a freshman on that list. Then again, maybe the staff doesn't take Haliburton if they have Green in pocket. The 1.5 years of Haliburton before the injury were pretty good, so you might lose that, but then again you might get 4-5 years of Green out of the deal.

I know after that year things become more complex because Kyle Green is probably recruiting much of the roster from Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin instead of bringing up players from the Southeast. I am just going to roll with this counterfactual to see what the team might have looked like instead.

Sophomore Green is probably something like --

Haliburton
Bolton
Green
Jacobson
Young

Green is certainly an upgrade on Nixon and a nice fallback option at PG once Haliburton is injured. Not sure if you still land Bolton with Green around, though, and not sure if the above team (even with Haliburton healthy to the end of the season) is enough to push for the tournament. They win some games, though.

Junior Green --

Green
Bolton
Coleman-Lands
Johnson
Young

The guard corps is much better, so I doubt the team goes 0-19 against the Big 12 again. Then again, the roster is just depleted, inexperienced, and unable to gel given the crazy offseason that COVID afforded them that year, so I would imagine they would have still sucked. Maybe a few wins is enough to keep Prohm from being fired or Kyle Green's midwestern recruiting kicks in before then to restock the roster.

Senior Green (assuming Prohm is still fired) --

Say Kyle is retained by TJ and AJ stays to play his senior year for his dad. I would imagine not much else changes save for probably no Brockington and AJ instead has that featured role in the offense.

So AJ helps. An elite guard goes a long way in college basketball. But the roster and program was just so screwed by the end of the Prohm tenure that I'm not sure he could salvage it by himself. Kyle Green might have been more critical in the long term if he could have brought some regional talent into the program, coached up the big men as he did in Cedar Falls, and been the defensive coordinator. The good/decent Prohm teams could score but couldn't stop anybody, so maybe that could have been fixed or at least marginally improved.

We'll never know. AJ just would have made an impact at the position of relative strength of the program (the guards) when what those rosters really needed is some real Big 12-level big men.

 

[Gunnerclone]

That isn’t at all what the poster said. Cripes. He is simply saying that from what he has heard on the subject, which is more than he has heard on other subjects, anyone saying that Duke isn’t an option is wrong, per his sources.

Not sure how it’s so difficult.

That’s a pretty easy assumption to make since he visited Duke. Not exactly breaking in on American Idol with that nugget.

ISU was also an “option” for Harrison Barnes lol.

 

[CyPunch]

I am ok with how everything turned out. Everyone is where they are supposed to be right now and Prohm hiring KG might have screwed that up.

Completely agree on being fine with how things worked out