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Stormin said:
Biden invoked the Defense Production Act. That helps with production. More product made. More inspectors needed to inspect the larger production. Has to be inspected before it can be sold.
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The DPA does nothing to increase production. Pure politics.
The FDA inspectors will simply be reviewing documents that Abbott personnel will have already signed off on when operations and finished product testing resume.

If Biden did anything, he pressured somebody in the WH to tell their own FDA reps to get realistic, and work with Abbott to get the plant the Feds shut down open again.
 
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Marcelason78 said:
The DPA does nothing to increase production. Pure politics.
The FDA inspectors will simply be reviewing documents that Abbott personnel will have already signed off on when operations and finished product testing resume.

If Biden did anything, he pressured somebody in the WH to tell their own FDA reps to get realistic, and work with Abbott to get the plant the Feds shut down open again.
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DPA gives formula makers priority to get the raw materials. Company hires more workers. Production increases. More inspectors speeds it up getting to consumer. Import formula.
 
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Marcelason78 said:
Getting the Abbott plant back up to full production safely is the key to ending the shortage. I'd be interested to hear the details on how the proposed $28 million helps accomplish this.
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Overseas formulations are different, particularly around Iron which is important. Do need to make sure it meets fda standards (euro formulations probably exceed outside iron but you don't want to f this up)

Getting Abbott plant running is also important but they're saying it will be end of yr when shelves are restocked. Takes time to rebuild so they need something (importing) in the interim. There's a cave thread roughly discussing though if people want to get more into the politics.


Think house also passed a bill relaxing wic, remember how some brands had deals with wic so you'd only be able to use wic $$ on certain brands? Definitely good to drop that now (really shouldn't be a thing at all)...still had 9 no votes I believe. Idk if they are heavily invested in Abbott? Idk why else you would possibly against that.
 
Pitt_Clone said:
This is almost exactly what happened with us. After hours and hours of labor they did an emergency c-section, and since she was so far along by then the surgery was especially brutal. She was having trouble doing the minimum she needed for herself, much less trying to do what she could for the baby.

They kept forcing her to try but she couldn't produce. We finally demanded that he get some formula because he was clearly starving, and they made us sign a damn waver acknowledging the "dangers" of giving formula. It was a worthless waver designed only to intimidate. As soon as he got some formula he calmed down and immediately fell asleep. We ended up doing formula exclusively.
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Baby friendly hospitals can be brutal on this and I just shake my head. Our whole system needs more focus on the mom and her well being. Do that and the other pieces fall into place more easily.
 
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Stormin said:
DPA gives formula makers priority to get the raw materials. Company hires more workers. Production increases. More inspectors speeds it up getting to consumer. Import formula.
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The importation aspect has nothing to do with DPA and ramping up US production. US plants (other than Abbott) are already at max production.
 
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Marcelason78 said:
The importation aspect has nothing to do with DPA and ramping up US production. US plants (other than Abbott) are already at max production.
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Biden also launched "Operation Fly Formula," authorizing the Pentagon to use commercial aircraft to fly formula supplies that meet U.S. standards into the country from overseas
 
Pitt_Clone said:
This is almost exactly what happened with us. After hours and hours of labor they did an emergency c-section, and since she was so far along by then the surgery was especially brutal. She was having trouble doing the minimum she needed for herself, much less trying to do what she could for the baby.

They kept forcing her to try but she couldn't produce. We finally demanded that he get some formula because he was clearly starving, and they made us sign a damn waver acknowledging the "dangers" of giving formula. It was a worthless waver designed only to intimidate. As soon as he got some formula he calmed down and immediately fell asleep. We ended up doing formula exclusively.
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This just makes me so angry. They treat parents like they are morons. It sounds like they also pushed too hard for a vaginal birth in addition to trying to intimidate your family into breast feeding.

A few years ago, I saw a piece on TV about maternal death rates and one factor was doctors actually not believing what their patients said, especially patients of color.

My first baby, they didn’t believe me when I said my water broke at home. I wasn’t so far gone that the puddle in my closet could have been pee. They tested up my business, and said nope, no fluid, we’re sending you home. The nurses changed shifts when I was getting dressed, and new nurse asks why there is a wet spot on the sheets. I told her my deal and she’s like, sit down, I am testing the sheets. Sure enough, that was the slow trickle after the gusher in the closet. Maybe first class they take should be Respect and Listen to Your Patient 101.
 
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Stormin said:
Biden also launched "Operation Fly Formula," authorizing the Pentagon to use commercial aircraft to fly formula supplies that meet U.S. standards into the country from overseas
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Trust me.. he didn’t “launch” that idea. He relayed the message.
 
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Marcelason78 said:
Where are you seeing this timeline?
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Doesn’t give an exact timeline to overcome the shortage but does give you a history. About 2 months from when FDA gives Abbot the green light they should start hitting shelves. Guessing there will be some hoarding up front and could keep things tight. Data has said this issue was apparent and known in august so even without abbot shutting there would have been issues, just not as severe.

The WIC program is a mess. I know a couple moms who give away gallons of milk, refried beans (why that is a big thing I don’t know) and other stuff to family since they receive too much, but are limited with other basic things. This is just another thing on that list of screwed up ideas.


www.npr.org

How the U.S. got into this baby formula mess

Just a handful of formula makers dominate the industry so a single plant shutdown can lead to empty shelves.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
 
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CoachHines3 said:
I know in our situation we've talked about me getting up and helping with feedings (while going through this 4 month regression) and either feeding breastmilk via bottle or just supplementing with formula.. but I've yet to do it because my wife feels guilty if she's not actually getting up and doing it herself.

She also doesn't want to dig into the breastmilk reserves because those usually go to daycare if we need them to go. So she feels guilty about digging into those as well.

I think the best solution would be just to supplement one overnight feeding with formula but we haven't gotten that far.. yet.
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And the thing is - if she is getting more sleep, your wife may feel less guilty. It's harder for anyone, male or female, to be able to have moderated emotions when they are just exhausted - that's why it's a torture tactic. <3
 
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cowgirl836 said:
Baby friendly hospitals can be brutal on this and I just shake my head. Our whole system needs more focus on the mom and her well being. Do that and the other pieces fall into place more easily.
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Our delivery hospital is a baby-friendly one. My OB was one of the best-known in the area, and he had a big issue with the baby-friendly nature. "The mom is my patient, not the baby, and it's not good for the mom in many instances." The hospital and he ended on pretty bad terms because of his stance on that and some of their other policies.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that baby-friendly hospitals have lots of good aspects. I think there has to be a happy medium. By all means encourage breastfeeding, but don't act like it's a horrible thing if it doesn't work. Our hospital was pretty lenient - my daughter and husband had a stomach bug when our youngest was born, and I didn't sleep for a loooong time. They finally took him to the nurses' station (which they weren't supposed to do) so I could sleep.
 
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cowgirl836 said:
www.today.com

Major baby formula plant should re-open in about two weeks, FDA commissioner says

FDA Commissioner Robert Califf told TODAY he expects the formula shortage to end by the end of 2022.
www.today.com www.today.com

Hoping sooner but should be over by end of the year.
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To me, this seems like it will be the toilet paper shortages during the pandemic. It will ship to stores, but unless your there are the right time, you may not get any. So unlike in the past, you could go to the store at any time and see it on the shelves, that won't be the case until the end of the year.
 
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Angie said:
Our delivery hospital is a baby-friendly one. My OB was one of the best-known in the area, and he had a big issue with the baby-friendly nature. "The mom is my patient, not the baby, and it's not good for the mom in many instances." The hospital and he ended on pretty bad terms because of his stance on that and some of their other policies.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that baby-friendly hospitals have lots of good aspects. I think there has to be a happy medium. By all means encourage breastfeeding, but don't act like it's a horrible thing if it doesn't work. Our hospital was pretty lenient - my daughter and husband had a stomach bug when our youngest was born, and I didn't sleep for a loooong time. They finally took him to the nurses' station (which they weren't supposed to do) so I could sleep.
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That is interesting. My wife is a currently a post partum nurse (training on L&D in August) and she regularly has baby's in the nursery. Including the one she was holding at 3AM just before Halloween while her co-workers tried on costumes. Just can't get good help these days.
 
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Angie said:
Our delivery hospital is a baby-friendly one. My OB was one of the best-known in the area, and he had a big issue with the baby-friendly nature. "The mom is my patient, not the baby, and it's not good for the mom in many instances." The hospital and he ended on pretty bad terms because of his stance on that and some of their other policies.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that baby-friendly hospitals have lots of good aspects. I think there has to be a happy medium. By all means encourage breastfeeding, but don't act like it's a horrible thing if it doesn't work. Our hospital was pretty lenient - my daughter and husband had a stomach bug when our youngest was born, and I didn't sleep for a loooong time. They finally took him to the nurses' station (which they weren't supposed to do) so I could sleep.
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My nine pound baby wouldn’t stop nursing. They took him to nurse’s station and gave him some formula as I hadn’t slept in two days. Couldn’t sleep the night before he was born, so uncomfortable, turns out I was already dilated to five. And giving him a bottle didn’t impact his nursing, he wasn’t about to turn down food. But pretty sure different place, different nurse would have frowned on that and just let me turn into a zombie.
 
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SCNCY said:
To me, this seems like it will be the toilet paper shortages during the pandemic. It will ship to stores, but unless your there are the right time, you may not get any. So unlike in the past, you could go to the store at any time and see it on the shelves, that won't be the case until the end of the year.
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April saw a 13% increase in purchases in formula so it has already started.
 
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