Disagree. Yes recruiting is critical, but you also have to have player development, in-game coaching, an overall strategy, etc. Otherwise you leave a LOT of wins and potential on the table.
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Disagree. Yes recruiting is critical, but you also have to have player development, in-game coaching, an overall strategy, etc. Otherwise you leave a LOT of wins and potential on the table.
No he wasn't. McD did the same thing - he recruited Diante Garrett, Craig Brackins (1st round pick) Wesley Johnson (4th pick in the draft) Marquis Gilstrap (Averaged a double double in the Big 12) and I could go on and on and went 18-48 in the Big 12 and like half of those wins are against Nebraska. Guy was terrible, the worst coach at ISU since the 70s, and there is no polishing that turd.
Prohm easily holds the title of worst coach at ISU since the 70s. No one else destroyed a program like he did.
I mean, the dude didn't even bring his future NBA son to his own team. I've heard the excuses given, but what's up with that???
While he's greatly exceeded expectations, I think you have to give almost all coaches 3-4 years to see how their program actually develops (unless you are an idiot and manage to run a program like Alabama FB into the ground somehow).
Just to many variables with college recruiting and carryover players to see how someone really does.
Just to many variables with college recruiting and carryover players to see how someone really does.
I don't know, even Wayne Morgan took a team to the NIT and won an NCAA tourney game. Prohm even turned over the roster from the Morris et al team and got a 6 seed in the tournament.
Greg figured some stuff out after he left here, but the program was dead when he left. And keep in mind he left for a Mo Valley team, not a big east team.
Did you go to games at the end of the McD era? Still the most dead I have ever seen Hilton, going back to the Floyd era. I'm sure last year without COVID restrictions would've been bad, but 2019-2020 was far better in Hilton than the end of the McD era, but I guess basically being out of tourney contention by the end of December tends to do that.
As I've said before, the smoldering crater that was the roster at the end of the Prohm era and the end of the McDermott era was essentially the same. Both Fred and TJ were starting over.
You could argue Prohm left *more* behind with Tyrese Hunter.
Looks like I was in about the 25% minority who actually liked the hire reading back through the thread.
Craig Smith is a total disaster at Utah and some of the old coaches like Beilein are still out of the game.
Looks like TJ is blowing away the expectations I had for him already. Whatever happens the rest of this year is just icing on the cake.
Winless in Big XII and the worst coaching I've seen in my life. I wasn't a huge fan of McDermott, but Prohm is in a league of his own.
Greg figured out that his kid was soon to be become a prototypical NBA roster piece for his era (the tall 3pt specialist).
Refer to my post below. McDermott had good players. He had less success with them than Prohm ever did when he had NBA talent.
I agree we're looking for success in the long run rather than lightening in a bottle, but I think TJ has developed a style and attitude that can carry on to different players. And recruiting has to be way easier after this year.
That was clearly step 1, but he didn't start going 14-17 every year since Doug left, so I'd guess there's a little more to it than that.
Prohm got a #6 seed and won the tournament in KC with a team of "his guys." Even the first "bad" Prohm team won its preseason tournament and had three wins over ranked teams.
McDermott never did anything.
Took him until late in year four to have his one (and his only) win over a ranked opponent.
I'd rather the Prohm era -- some good memories, even if it ended badly -- to the McDermott era -- it was boring and bad and got worse every year and was heading for similar catastrophe.
Go back and look at the roster McDermott would have if he returned for one more year in Ames. He barely won any Big 12 games *with* Brackins, Hamilton, and Gilstrap, and he was about to lose those three. Going winless in the Big 12 was going to very much be in the cards for him the next year.
A few of the years in the rafters of Hilton embody memorable things that Prohm did. They're pretty limited, sure, but they're up there, and they're going to be up there forever.
As far as those banners are concerned, McDermott never even happened.
I was a student starting in 2000, and started getting real season tickets in 2005. The last two years of McD were just sad. I mean Prohm bombed out, and last year was the worst year by a major conference CBB team in the modern era. But Prohm had a good season with his own players. That's more than McD ever did.
Having your guy in mind and knowing it will be a good working relationship <> “the buddy system”. That’s just a cartoonish view of how Jamie does his job that frankly needs to be retired.
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