Rankings Drop?

[SolarGarlic]

I feel like that collapse is going to be glorious.

I doubt it will be a collapse, but maybe more in line with their preseason expectations. They very quickly forgot about their performance against CSU. I don't blame their fans for being excited and confident, but at some point, their offense is going to be nonexistent and their opponent won't hand the ball to them. I saw one writer say "Petras has turned the corner" and I had to roll my eyes. Turned the corner from being one of the worst QBs in FBS to not a complete liability, I guess. I hope Penn State beats them up and outplays them at their game.

 

[NorthCyd]

We're an afterthought. That's what happens when you can only bring your A game against garbage teams. Win the next 3 and people will start to give ISU some respect again.

 

[Cyforce]

Did the #11 team receive every #11 vote? No.
Could the #25 team have received any #24 votes? Yes. (Edit: and since that team has 111 points with only 62 voters, it is a mathematical certainty that they did receive some #24, or better, votes)

Therefore your “explanation” is irrelevant. And dumb. Certainly ignorant of mathematics.

If one renegade voter but Kansas 25th they'd be ranked ahead of us according to you. You can't rank teams beyond the scope of the poll. If you were looking for the 10 best restaurants in a given area would you only ask them for their favorite?

 

[Jeh]

Nope, bring it up everytime the mathematical challenged bring it up.

Here's my proof, if every voter thought ISU was the 26th best team this week how many points would they of received.

This is absolutely mathematically correct. That people are disagreeing with this analysis is a commentary on the poor state of our educational system. Yes, if every sports writer thought we were the 26th best team, then we would receive zero votes. Meanwhile, one person thinks UCLA is the 25th best team, and they get a vote. In order for the rankings after #25 to be meaningful, you have to cast votes for more than 25 teams.

In fact, even as the vote is currently conducted, there is a problem, because everyone is giving teams #26-#130 the same number of votes, so that if there are multiple teams vying for that #25 spot that you yourself didn't rank, you can't indicate your preference between them.

Nevertheless, if the AP poll required a complete ranking of all 130 teams, it would be too much effort for the voters, so this is probably the best we can do.

 

[cytown]

We're an afterthought. That's what happens when you can only bring your A game against garbage teams. Win the next 3 and people will start to give ISU some respect again.

It’s still total BS. You cannot tell me there are 25 better teams in the country. Then you throw in the fact that we didn’t even get any votes after we destroyed a conference team? It’s disrespectful and the AP voters have no clue what they are doing.

 

[CysRage]

It’s still total BS. You cannot tell me there are 25 better teams in the country. Then you throw in the fact that we didn’t even get any votes after we destroyed a conference team? It’s disrespectful and the AP voters have no clue what they are doing.

Win the next two games and ISU will be ranked again, guaranteed. I couldn’t care less what the AP thinks of ISU in early October. Even late October into November doesn’t matter because then the CFP committee rankings take over.

 

[Jdk]

Iowa not a number 3 team

 

[cytown]

Iowa not a number 3 team

Agree. Top 25 - sure. Top 5 or even top 10? Gtfo. Cincy should be #3.

 

[CyGuy5]

My roommate is an insufferable Iowa fan, so I cannot wait for their inevitable collapse. On a side note, if they win this weekend my life will be hell for the foreseeable future considering the rest of the schedule is cupcake city. The Big 10 is a complete joke, and while I think Iowa has a good defense, I don't think it's as good as people make it out to be. I also cannot believe they think beating Maryland is such a huge accomplishment when their best win was a bad WVU.

 

[CyCloned]

I mean we've only beaten the 3 worst teams on our schedule. Until we beat a good team I understand not receiving votes

Yeah, this team made their own bed. The loss to Baylor was bad. The loss to Iowa was bad too. 4 TOs and horrifying special team play gifted them the game.

Need to figure out that the season starts at game one.

 

[Neptune78]

....... Yes, if every sports writer thought we were the 26th best team, then we would receive zero votes......

This is a nice mathematical example, but it's not how the collective poll works in reality. You never see 'every sports writer' agreeing on anything past the top five or six teams. Teams 'ranked' 26th received more votes overall than teams 'ranked' 27th. It doesn't mean anything more than that.
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If the mathematics have a problem with the term 'ranked' after #25, swirl on.

 

[harimad]

This is absolutely mathematically correct. That people are disagreeing with this analysis is a commentary on the poor state of our educational system. Yes, if every sports writer thought we were the 26th best team, then we would receive zero votes. Meanwhile, one person thinks UCLA is the 25th best team, and they get a vote. In order for the rankings after #25 to be meaningful, you have to cast votes for more than 25 teams.

In fact, even as the vote is currently conducted, there is a problem, because everyone is giving teams #26-#130 the same number of votes, so that if there are multiple teams vying for that #25 spot that you yourself didn't rank, you can't indicate your preference between them.

Nevertheless, if the AP poll required a complete ranking of all 130 teams, it would be too much effort for the voters, so this is probably the best we can do.

Also @Cyforce

It is absolutely mathematically incorrect.

By your “logic,” Trump didn’t finish second because people only get one unweighted vote.

By your ”logic,” Breece Hall didn’t finish sixth for Heisman because voters only vote for three people.

Join the other guy in the remedial math courses please. You individually should also add a literature course with focus on comprehension.

 

[harimad]

If one renegade voter but Kansas 25th they'd be ranked ahead of us according to you. You can't rank teams beyond the scope of the poll. If you were looking for the 10 best restaurants in a given area would you only ask them for their favorite?

According to the pollsters, not me.

Everything you said has nothing to do with math. It’s just your opinion on weaknesses of the system.

 

[Cyforce]

According to the pollsters, not me.

Everything you said has nothing to do with math. It’s just your opinion on weaknesses of the system.

You're too stupid to argue with.

But Hall finished 6th in the voting, he wasn't ranked 6th or get a trophy for 6th place.

 

[harimad]

You're too stupid to argue with.

But Hall finished 6th in the voting, he wasn't ranked 6th or get a trophy for 6th place.

That’s a not very nice way to say that you agree with me.

 

[Neptune78]

That’s a not very nice way to say that you agree with me.

Probably doesn't like your good example of not being able to say Breece did 'finish' sixth in the Heisman vote. The horror!

 

[madguy30]

I mean we've only beaten the 3 worst teams on our schedule. Until we beat a good team I understand not receiving votes

The best win so far is an FCS school and the two losses are total flops.

We'll see where things are in 4 weeks.

 

[harimad]

Probably doesn't like your good example of not being able to say Breece 'finish' sixth in the Heisman vote. The horror!

It’s just hilarious that he calls me dumb while every post of his betrays his lack of understanding of polling fundamentals and the very simple math behind it.

 

[Jeh]

Also @Cyforce

It is absolutely mathematically incorrect.

By your “logic,” Trump didn’t finish second because people only get one unweighted vote.

By your ”logic,” Breece Hall didn’t finish sixth for Heisman because voters only vote for three people.

Join the other guy in the remedial math courses please. You individually should also add a literature course with focus on comprehension.

As a matter of fact, both political elections and Heisman selections are affected by the voting system used. A ranked-preference voting system may indeed produce a different result than a simple plurality.

With regards to the AP poll, you seem not to understand what the actual number that results means, so let me explain.

Consider the following simplified poll system: Every voter ranks all 130 teams, giving 130 votes to the best team, down to 1 vote for the worst team. If we give each team a number x equal to the average number of votes received, then 131-x is the team's average rank. Ordering the teams by their average rank makes sense. (And of course, ordering teams by average vote is the same as ordering them by total number of votes.)

What the AP poll, does, though, is force the voters to give every team from #26 all the way to #130 the same number of votes. In the previous system, that is equivalent to giving them all 105 votes. The result is clearly different than the intention of ordering teams by their average rank. It gives voters with outlier opinions more power.

 

[cytown]

My roommate is an insufferable Iowa fan, so I cannot wait for their inevitable collapse. On a side note, if they win this weekend my life will be hell for the foreseeable future considering the rest of the schedule is cupcake city. The Big 10 is a complete joke, and while I think Iowa has a good defense, I don't think it's as good as people make it out to be. I also cannot believe they think beating Maryland is such a huge accomplishment when their best win was a bad WVU.

I feel for you. Agree on the Big10 - conference top to bottom is garbage again this year. Iowa will fall apart though when the lucky interceptions stop happening.

I didnt see any of the WVU/Maryland game but its confusing. Im guessing if they played now, WVU would beat them by at least a few TDs. But I hope we get the bad WVU team when we play them.