And it will more than likely go that fast once the wheels are in motion. Right now everything is been done behind the scenes
Big 12 vs. Pac 12
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And it will more than likely go that fast once the wheels are in motion. Right now everything is been done behind the scenes
If this alliance between the Pac 12 and the Big 10 goes through, the remaining 7 big 12 schools should just merge with the better AAC schools and try to come up with a hybrid G5/P5 league. Add Cincinnati, Memphis, SMU, the 2 Florida schools, Houston, and Tulane, and make a go of it. KU will be going to the ACC if this happens.
Leaving Wash. ST, Oregon St, and Arizona schools to worry about there own problems.
Leaving Wash. ST, Oregon St, and Arizona schools to worry about there own problems.
You have just given a great explanation of why a university like Houston was a poor match for the Big 12.
I think the B1G would only take the Cali schools, Oregon and Washington. And that may be even too many. Idk if they want 20 teams. But if that does happen, we should join with the rest of the Pac12. Iowa State vs. Arizona State is going to draw far more eyeballs than Iowa State vs Tulane, Houston or Memphis.
Let's say the Big 10 goes crazy and takes 6 from the Pac 12: USC, UCLA, California, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington (not sure if Oregon State and Washington State are tied to Oregon and Washington for realignment).
At that point I think it makes sense for a Big 12 Pac 12 merger, and adding BYU and Houston for 16. That would still be a good conference and I think the TV $ would be similar to what we get today.
At that point I think it makes sense for a Big 12 Pac 12 merger, and adding BYU and Houston for 16. That would still be a good conference and I think the TV $ would be similar to what we get today.
I was thinking about travel for the fans and the schools. I could see taking the two Arizona schools, but does anyone really want to go to Wash. ST and Oregon St? At least most of the AAC schools are halfway close to the center of the conference. You would want the Florida schools more than the two schools out in the upper Pacific region I would think.
No, I think you are right that no one wants to make that trip, but more than that, I don't want to be completely left out of major college football. If we have to play games in Pullman to stay relevant, then west we go.
What has all of the money done for college football? I understand that facilities have been improved, but when you really look at that it's been funded heavily by donors more than media. Have any schools given more scholarships due to the added money? The coaches are making more (to nearly a ridiculous amount). But has the on-field product gotten better anywhere? Texas is a great example of a school with ungodly money, yet it hasn't gotten them championships. Meanwhile, there are some middling schools outside the P5 with far less money and doing better than UT even. So how has the money helped?
Things are going to work out. While its "about the money", it's really not all about the money.
Things are going to work out. While its "about the money", it's really not all about the money.
As the only metric you're correct, but expanding that proportionally to viewership as a whole and you'll find the B12 significantly out performs the Pac12. Having lived in CA for 40+ years, trust me, there's not nearly the interest in CFB because there's so much other entertainment to dilute it.
It's about status. Money=status and Iowa State doesn't have it, and doesn't generate enough of it. Losing p-5 status will suck tremendously for so many reasons
I'm going out on a limb to say that we are going to be 100% ok.
Don't underestimate the impact of our passionate fanbase, Pollard's leadership and good brands currently in MBB and Football
Don't underestimate the impact of our passionate fanbase, Pollard's leadership and good brands currently in MBB and Football
That is why if we survive this, ISU must redo the press box area, to increase private donor seating. That is where the money is at today, and there is a market for it as EIU found out when they redid their North endzone.
The money is only one element of a successful program, coaching and recruiting are the other two. If you look at the truly great programs, they have all three, a great coach that loves the challenge of recruiting and money for facilities to entice those recruits even more. You hear stories about how it was a down grade for many players going from college to the pros in terms of the facilities compared too the different levels of the sport. In most cases the players have it better in regards to facilities in college than the NFL.
I would love being able to see ISU at Washington St. it would be a manageable drive from NW Montana. I might by in the minority though.
Looking at the Big 12 and Pac 12. I think we are somewhere in the top half to top of the second of three tiers.
USC, Oregon and Washington are be far the best properties to have media rights.
After that. I think it's pretty close when you look at football and men's basketball among a lot of programs
USC, Oregon and Washington are be far the best properties to have media rights.
After that. I think it's pretty close when you look at football and men's basketball among a lot of programs
I'm curious about your (and others') reasoning on this. Why do you think Oregon, USC, and Wash have better media rights than ISU?
ISU has more butts in seats by and average of 10,000 over each of them. So are you saying there's more "national interest" in those three programs by-comparison? If so, what makes that national interest? I could say that Oregon might just due to branding w/ the Nike money and their crazy uniforms. Maybe USC because of "history". But both would be just a subjective argument.
I wonder about overall revenue from the football ops. I've been to a few USC games and paid well over $100 for a seat that wouldn't exist in JTS. You'd need to suspend someone from a crane to have the same view at an ISU game.
Throw in those new luxury suites in the end zone of the Coliseum and premier tailgating rentals and it would be interesting.
USC has a cool atmosphere prior to the games.
USC is a national brand. NOt what they once were. But in my lifetime (30 years).. They have won several national titles and mens basketball has found success with their current coach. It's the premier school out west and A TON of power players are alumni of the school. They are the #1 brand west of Texas. Oregon has Nike. Washington has a big stadium, massive enrollment and alumni network plus have won the Pac 12 many times
We'll all have to rent boats to tailgate together at a Washington game. Another unique experience at a stadium.
I'm all the **** in on a PAC alignment.
I’m secretly hoping the Big 10 coaxes some teams away from the pac 12. It seems like that will really get the ball rolling on the realignment front. I just want some certainty so that we can continue to recruit.
