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How? Just because he's played a big part in creating two different top ten programs with innovative offenses and tons of wins? Pish posh.
Because that's the general progression of coaching. Assistant to mid major coach, to P6 coach. When the Dayton, Utah St, Drake, Loyola, or other mid major opens up, I could see Henry being a candidate.
 
I also think whoever gets the job needs to take a long look at Bryan Petersen as a assistant coach. He is a up and comer who in 10 to 15 years could be our possible head coach

There are plenty of people with no relation to Iowa state that are capable.
 
I love Fred, but if I'm being honest, he struck lightning in a bottle his first go 'round in Ames. Can't see it repeating itself.

That said, I don't see anyone that gets me excited (including Fred) so will roll with whomever Jamie decides to roll the dice on.
Lightning in a bottle is if he would have made a Final Four run then sucked every other year like Frank Martin.

He already had 4 solid years under his belt with at least 2 more guaranteed if he stayed. Thats called sustained program success at a high level.
 
Not sure what pride has to do with that? You think he intentionally put together a bad staff? I would guess it is another deficiency rather than a choice. Analysis of a person's strengths and what that person could bring to the program...seems as though Prohm failed in that regard.
Prohm would never hire a guy who could upstage him. Prohm is very insecure.
 
Lightning in a bottle is if he would have made a Final Four run then sucked every other year like Frank Martin.

He already had 4 solid years under his belt with at least 2 more guaranteed if he stayed. Thats called sustained program success at a high level.
I’m tired of the “he struck lightning in the bottle” opinions. lol no he didn’t. He gradually got better every single year as a team and as a coach. That’s why each year we brought in better players and had better records.

Lightning in a bottle would be like what South Carolina did a few years back in making the Final 4.
 
This. We didn't have that much interest in the job WHEN WE HAD A TOP 10 TEAM returning after Fred. And if we did, Pollard wouldn't spend the money to hire them. I do not see Pollard opening the check book for any slam dunk candidate - which is why I think we'll end up with TJ. I'll take TJ over other coaches with similar Prohm resumes (success at a low major but no P6 experience) and since I think that is our candidate pool, I'll support TJ as the hire. But I'd rather spend more for a proven coach.
P5 schools hiring their new head coach from another P5 school is VERY much the exception. So not opening the checkbook, is far more common.

Of the 65 head basketball coaches at P5 programs, something like 9 were hired directly from another P5 school.

One big reason coaches moved was to return to their alma mater (Roy Williams, Bob Huggins, Jamie Dixon).

Look around the Big12, Self is the only guy who jumped directly from a P5 school that wasn't an alumni.

Kruger and Weber had P5 experience as head coaches. But Kruger came from UNLV and Weber had been canned by Illinois.

So ISU hiring Prohm is the norm. Jamie just didn't get the hire right.
 
P5 schools hiring their new head coach from another P5 school is VERY much the exception. So not opening the checkbook, is far more common.

Of the 65 head basketball coaches at P5 programs, something like 9 were hired directly from another P5 school.

One big reason coaches moved was to return to their alma mater (Roy Williams, Bob Huggins, Jamie Dixon).

Look around the Big12, Self is the only guy who jumped directly from a P5 school that wasn't an alumni.

Kruger and Weber had P5 experience as head coaches. But Kruger came from UNLV and Weber had been canned by Illinois.

So ISU hiring Prohm is the norm. Jamie just didn't get the hire right.
Yes, P5 to P5 is rare. In both MBB and football.

But hiring OVC level (nearly low major) coaches with no previous high major experience and no previous connections is not the norm.

Beard came from a low major but TT knew him well after a decade of him being an assistant there. Boyton is a special circumstance, but again, he’d worked in the conference. Underwood? Experience at KSU and South Carolina. Maybe Scott Drew is a good example, but he did go to a place at rock bottom
 
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Jack Trice will be at 100% come fall, as will most stadiums.
I think stadiums will be at capacity. But the question IMO, do schools require proof of vaccination?

Even the best vaccination is 95% effective. The J&J is something like 75%. So bringing 60k people together seems like a potential spreader event if 30-40% of those people aren't vaccinated.
 
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I think stadiums will be at capacity. But the question IMO, do schools require proof of vaccination?

Even the best vaccination is 95% effective. The J&J is something like 75%. So bringing 60k people together seems like a potential spreader event if 30-40% of those people aren't vaccinated.

They could also require masks.
 
Yes, P5 to P5 is rare. In both MBB and football.

But hiring OVC level (nearly low major) coaches with no previous high major experience and no previous connections is not the norm.

Beard came from a low major but TT knew him well after a decade of him being an assistant there.
Where did Beard and Drew come from? What was Boykins prior head coaching experience?
 
I think stadiums will be at capacity. But the question IMO, do schools require proof of vaccination?

Even the best vaccination is 95% effective. The J&J is something like 75%. So bringing 60k people together seems like a potential spreader event if 30-40% of those people aren't vaccinated.
No. Schools are not going to require proof of vaccines. By that time, essentially everyone who was able to get a vaccine will have gotten one. If you haven’t gotten one yet that means you didn’t want one. With vaccinations, some people wearing masks, being outside, etc, it will not be a super spreader event.

There have already been schools who said they’re going full capacity. ISU will do the same.
 
I'm way behind in the conversation. AND, big caveat, I don't know enough about coaching to see strengths, weaknesses, etc. Nor am I smart enough to say X coach over Y coach because, you know, brain cells.

That being said, I'm just throwing this out for a thought game: watching Ganzaga last night was a reminder of what good basketball looks like. Is there an assistant there ready for ISU? I don't know - just spitballing at the moment.
 
Biggest positive for Fred was surrounding himself with good assistants - Phrom has never swallowed his pride and done that

I'm sure Daniyal Robinson is a nice guy but he's been here for a decade for two of the worst coaches in recent ISU history. If you look at his resume, he hasn't really won anywhere he's been. Prohm has refused to shake up his staff which is also why he doesn't deserve another year. Stubbornness and unwillingness to change is never a winning recipe.
 
Yes. IMO Prohm really did himself no favors with this staff, just his overall ability to look in the mirror and say “I suck at this part of the job, i need help in this aspect.” And he never did that.

If TJ were able to do that, and present a plan that said “listen, I know I can recruit like hell, but i need help in preparation and game situations, so I am bringing in XYZ to help do that”

I would be fine with that I think....really you just need a coach that can do SOMETHING well and then know how to hire a staff to help him. Prohm never did that, he could just never knew where his blind spot was.

I.e. Fred with Bobby Lutz and Doc Sadler.
 
No. Schools are not going to require proof of vaccines. By that time, essentially everyone who was able to get a vaccine will have gotten one. If you haven’t gotten one yet that means you didn’t want one. With vaccinations, some people wearing masks, being outside, etc, it will not be a super spreader event.

There have already been schools who said they’re going full capacity. ISU will do the same.
I wouldn't be so sure. There is mounting evidence that a "vaccine passport" will be required for large events (FB games, BB games, concerts, etc.), air travel--both domestic & international, cruises, etc. The passport will likely be on your phone. This move is not just being talked about, its already in motion--TicketMaster and other Ticket Brokers have apparently reached agreements with technology providers who will house the passport data.
 
I wouldn't be so sure. There is mounting evidence that a "vaccine passport" will be required for large events (FB games, BB games, concerts, etc.), air travel--both domestic & international, cruises, etc. The passport will likely be on your phone. This move is not just being talked about, its already in motion--TicketMaster and other Ticket Brokers have apparently reached agreements with technology providers who will house the passport data.
Yeah I know there are other country’s that are doing that and it’s not going well for them to say the least. I’m gonna be done talking about this subject though because I don’t want anyone getting political while we’re talking about something actually serious.. ;)
 
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