Dis the Ducks
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You missed some gold doing that KCHmmm...reading this page, think I'm glad I skipped from page one to the end.
On when the better recruits and players start coming: A few that wouldn’t have paid attention to your coaches overtures will now that ISU had this season. But sustained recruiting success takes longer.
Recruiting has changed a lot since the late 90s and early 2000s when Oregon began their ascent. Some of this won’t be relevant for ISU. Oregon won the Fiesta Bowl and finished ranked 2nd after the 2001 season - a month later program changing 5-star recruit and now potential NFL Hall-of-Fame inductee Haloti Ngata signed. Recruiting rankings were not the big business they are now, but Ngata was as sure a thing as can be. By 2005 Oregon had landed two more five stars and the roster began drastically improving.
Oregon fans will often mention recruiting rankings, and this used to be a fan base who took pride in their coaches scouting and development. Years of being the runner up has taught us that in the long run all your culture, development, and Xs and Os are not as good as their Jimmy and Jos.
Growing up, I was more of a Darkwing Duck kid, and, though I love its theme song as well, the Duck Tales theme song is just hard to beat. Plus the Duck Tales Nintendo game was bad ass.
We could talk about that but we might have some angry elves around here.
When you're enjoying the back and forth team analysis and get to page 15:
Raw talent is the most important factor, so obviously the stars a player gets in their recruiting ranking counts. But in ISU's position, a team that might max out at three 4 star players in a class, the approach obviously needs to be different. I don't know what kinds of analytics this ISU staff uses to find the players that they do, but they have shown a remarkable consistency in turning 3 star players into All-Conference team members. This is the source of program improvement since they got here. When you watch ISU go up against OU like last weekend, you can see in spots where they have obvious talent advantages in individual players, but across the board? ISU and OU play pretty even.
Who? They were running spread, but iirc it wasn't fast break offense like Oregon and it was a couple of years after 2010 that TCU, Baylor, OU tec. started the same deal.
Oh man, lets all hope it isn't a 7-6 game.
Are you serious? Up tempo spread was well established in the conference long before that. In '09 Rhoads and Herman tried to switch us over to no-huddle just to keep up with the rest of the conference.
By '09 about the only team in the conference that wasn't using up tempo was KSU.
Their success varried with how good their athletes, especially their running backs, were and how well their defenses held up to the strain.
Agree! I hate those all D games. Don't like blowouts either, no matter which team is winning. I like the games that run around 70-80 total points - enough offense to keep it interesting, enough defense to keep it honest.
Nope but it is offered at the U of O. We even have a Volcanology department on campus but I never found a term where I could fit a class in so I could go around acting like Spock. I ended up with a Political Science degree with an emphasis on International Political Economy or as I like to call it, a BS in BS'ing.
One of the reasons the Pac 12 has NOT expanded to include a few other schools is that the California schools are very concerned about the Graduate Academic Programs within the conference. Boise State has wanted to join but we call them a Truckers School because well, they're pretty much a Truckers School. Neither Oregon or Oregon State are heavily involved in the Medical Sciences at all and Oregon State is an Agricultural and Engineering school largely. They used to be known as Oregon Agricultural College and our fight song still reads at the end: "OAC may fight to the end, but we will win."
No, I think most of us all understand the how and why this game is bigger for you and respect that you guys didn't back your way into this game at all.I would agree with this. I'm sure plenty of Oregon fans will disagree with me, and that's fine, but in my opinion winning this game is much more important for Iowa State than it is for Oregon. I get Oregon is trying to spring into next season with momentum by winning this game; it's kind of the same for us as well, but we're also trying to shed ourselves of a putrid history. For all of my adult life, I have only known Oregon to be a power. No one is surprised when they win the Pac 12 or a Rose bowl. For us, we are one of the worst programs in college football history and are reminded of it on a daily basis by Iowa fans. To say winning a NY6 bowl at Iowa State is a huge accomplishment is an understatement - we only have 4 bowl wins in our history (yes, you read that right). Campbell has shown us it is possible to win here, which I'm not sure was possible before he was hired. If we win the Fiesta bowl, this will be my mood:
Sorry for the novel. Just trying to explain how big this is for us.
I don't want to say as much because it would reflect poorly on our coach (and there are other obvious reasons for why we lost those games), but I do tend to think that seeing us play better vs USC than we did against Cal and OSU is because we didn't take them seriously. Under the Chip Era, we seemingly never took anyone for granted with his "Win the Day" mantra. We certainly can't do that against the Cyclones.
Awesome results! Kudos to the staff and team. behaviors do matter. Glad our people have the discipline to allow the games to happen. Go clones!
Mario got the Head Coach job at Oregon primarily because the players on the team all believed in him as HC (and the one good thing Taggart did was assemble a top-notch staff that didn't leave). He's been extremely loyal at times to upperclassmen and has not let younger guys play in blowouts to give them experience or benching a RB who can't hold onto the ball. Last year in a few games people wanted to see Tyler Shough do more than hand the ball off. This year, its obvious he needed to get real reps in those games.
All of that to say that Shough probably looked much better in practice early on and without an off-season to practice, Brown was behind the curve.
On field however, Brown looks like a calm Duck on top of the water and Shough looks rattled. Some have used his stats at Boston College to suggest that he's not an improvement - the argument against that is we believe we're better at every position on Offense than BC was with a better OC so he'd have better numbers for us.
According a friend of mine in the Army from Michigan, that chick has U.P. written all over her, except that she is hot and not wearing a flannel shirt!Has now
Speaking of the Army, I just remembered I had a roommate in Korea who was from Oregon and a big Duck Fan!
Iowa State's first Bowl win and only 9 win season in the Modern Era was in 2000 when the Cyclones beat Pitt in the insight.com Bowl in the B.O.B. @ Phoenix - which was crammed with Cardinal and Gold Cyclone fans! So, I'm just going to try to conjure up my memories from watching that game while I watch the 2021 Fiesta Bowl!
It’s easy to get that impression when you look at Oregon from a distance. Oregon’s talented, but lost to some weaker teams. But it’s not actually reality. The culture is good here. All our talent is young. The talent we had in the JR and SR classes opted out or went pro. There are two players we signed who are top 300 recruits left in our jr and sr classes, with 2 more that transferred in. Just at a quick glance there’s around 18 top 300 recruits who are freshman. The talent on this Ducks team is really young.
We’ve got speed and you guys have experience. The teams physically are similar, but I suspect you guys have better depth. It’s not so much a culture be talent thing. Our talent is mostly too young (there’s a couple stud like Thibodeaux, Wright, Hill, Sewell, and Pittman that impact players as freshmen and sophomores).
it’ll be a tough ass game either way. Almost no chance this is a blow out unless the TO margin is 3 or more.
