I'll admit it's weak that I haven't gotten one. It's probably a combo of never having a severe case and my annual checkup falls outside of flu season/prior to the shots being available.
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I'll admit it's weak that I haven't gotten one. It's probably a combo of never having a severe case and my annual checkup falls outside of flu season/prior to the shots being available.
I don't think people are offended. Many of us don't know why politics have to continually be drug into every conversation. It gets very old dealing with it non-stop and many people want to have a conversation on data and facts and politics is the exact opposite of that. Was it needed in you post? Why did you feel the need to add that part?
Yes, but around 50% of the population were already immune, meaning only 10-20% more had to contract the virus to reach herd immunity. It's shocking the WHO is still ignoring that. I don't know how anyone could look at the death graphs for pretty much every European country and thin they have not reached "herd immunity". That doesn't mean the virus is extinct in those places, just that the number of people actually sick, and the number of people dying has remained low for a significant period of time, and will continue to stay low. The virus will still likely remain in those populations killing a very small number of people. The pandemic is basically over in those "northern" countries.
Because I’m p***ed off at the people in this country that refuse to believe science and therefore have made this virus much worse and last a lot longer than it needed to. Okay?
You claimed you didn’t want to talk politics, so I deleted that part out of that post I made in an attempt to move on, and instead you press me on it and bring it back up.
Do you want to talk about the importance of testing again now, or not?
This theory has not been validated as far as I am aware.
I think NY might be a more local comparison. They did basically everything wrong at the beginning. I know because we had plane tickets to fly there on 3/13 and nearly did because of the governor and mayor saying it was fine and not to worry. They have really dropped in numbers over the last month or so. It looks like they may have hit that area where so many go it that they are now dealing with a population that has some immunity to it.
Wow, just calm down a bit. Seem to get agitated a bit too easily there. I'd rather talk vaccine. Im good to get one, are you?
Yes..that’s what I’m saying..50% have no symptoms and hence immunity...So we aren’t far away IMO.
Not having symptoms is not the same thing as being immune. An asymptomatic carrier can still spread the virus and can still suffer organ damage.
Not likely for the approximately 50% of the population with pre-existing T-cell immunity.
Define "validated". There are plenty of legitimate scientists, doctors, immunologist around the world saying this. If you are waiting for the WHO or CDC to validate anything that would force them to admit they've been wrong, you are going to be waiting a long time.
Calm down about a pandemic that is much worse than it ever needed to be because a large segment of the population refuses to believe in science? Sorry, ain’t happening.
I get the flu shot every year, so yes I will get the vaccine. Might be a little apprehensive if it comes from China?
I’ve never said a vaccine isn’t important, I just think testing is more important. I think testing will still be important after we get a vaccine too.
You realize we may not ever get a vaccine, right? And if we do, how effective will it be, and how many people won’t get it?
Testing will ALWAYS be the key IMO.
Majority rules. If a majority accept it as fact, it becomes fact.
My former employer gave them to you for free - they'd come to your office and give you the shot. That made it easy.
Now, pharmacists can give them to you, and the grocery store near my house (which has a pharmacy) will give you a $10 gift card for getting the shot there. Pretty easy to do (as long as you remember to wear a short-sleeve shirt).
This is an interesting read about the pre-existing immunity discussion.
Another important caveat of these T cell studies is that they have not established that the presence of cross-reactive memory T cells is associated with protection against COVID-19 or with less severe disease in people. While they offer clues that provide a foundation for further studies, scientists are still trying to understand what their actual contribution to the immune response might be, if any.
Indeed, these studies have been misinterpreted and used by some individuals to propagate unfounded claims regarding the level of immunity in the population, including Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist and senior fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. Another is ophthalmologist James Todaro, who claimed that these findings indicate that herd immunity could be achieved “once only 10-20% are infected with SARS-CoV-2”, which is much lower than most studies have estimated. Todaro has also appeared in a viral video as part of America’s Frontline Doctors, a group that has spread false claims about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19.
“These are only speculations (no data) and because of their potential importance, it is key for scientists to test these ideas as quickly as possible. While scientists are racing as fast as possible, sophisticated research like this usually takes a lot of time and resources,” Crotty tweeted.
He also advised against relying on T cells for protection and neglecting to take other precautions. “T cells generally don’t completely prevent infections, they limit disease (make it shorter and/or less serious). Thus, wearing a mask is much more effective than hoping you and the people around you have pre-existing T cell memory. Wearing a mask stops infections,” he explained.
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Another important caveat of these T cell studies is that they have not established that the presence of cross-reactive memory T cells is associated with protection against COVID-19 or with less severe disease in people. While they offer clues that provide a foundation for further studies, scientists are still trying to understand what their actual contribution to the immune response might be, if any.
Indeed, these studies have been misinterpreted and used by some individuals to propagate unfounded claims regarding the level of immunity in the population, including Scott Atlas, a neuroradiologist and senior fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. Another is ophthalmologist James Todaro, who claimed that these findings indicate that herd immunity could be achieved “once only 10-20% are infected with SARS-CoV-2”, which is much lower than most studies have estimated. Todaro has also appeared in a viral video as part of America’s Frontline Doctors, a group that has spread false claims about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19.
“These are only speculations (no data) and because of their potential importance, it is key for scientists to test these ideas as quickly as possible. While scientists are racing as fast as possible, sophisticated research like this usually takes a lot of time and resources,” Crotty tweeted.
He also advised against relying on T cells for protection and neglecting to take other precautions. “T cells generally don’t completely prevent infections, they limit disease (make it shorter and/or less serious). Thus, wearing a mask is much more effective than hoping you and the people around you have pre-existing T cell memory. Wearing a mask stops infections,” he explained.
Potential role for T cells in COVID-19 immunity accurately reported in National Geographic article - Science Feedback
"The article accurately discusses the recent findings about the presence/relevance of T cell response against COVID-19. Indeed, both arms of adaptive immunity, humoral and cellular, contribute in different ways to the body’s fight against viral infections. What remains to be seen and explored in...
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It appears now that there is some level of long-term immunity that the body develops...
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31008-4?rss=yes
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