97-98 Bulls Documentary (The Last Dance)

LeBron without all the hands-off room he has to operate with the ball in today's game would've absolutely affected his numbers. To think he'd have the same numbers playing against the physically mauling defenses MJ did is just silly.

LeBron would have greatly benefited from the illegal defense rules of the 90's. It was much easier to iso guys back then, when teams doubled they had to commit earlier too, LeBron would have picked them apart with his passing. Also LeBron could just back dudes down from the 3 point line since this was pre Mark Jackson rules. He would have thrived under those rules too. Just like Jordan would have thrived in the modern game.
 
From what I remember from previous reports and interviews about it, it seemed like Jordan was loving the challenge, having to struggle, being knocked down a notch.

I also think what people that understand baseball could see is that if Jordan had just played baseball full time, he would've been great. It's simply not a sport you can step away from for that many years. In fact, I don't think people realize that for all his "struggles," going straight to AA like he did was almost unheard of. A tiny fraction of the absolute cream of the crop prospects do occasionally, but that's it. And even though he barely hit over .200, he was figuring it out, and it was clear he was not overwhelmed.

People need to realize that you could probably take most major league guys, take them out of the game completely for 13 years, drop them into AA, and they aren't hitting .200.

Heck he was out of basketball not even for two seasons and when he came back, except for a couple of big scoring games, he wasn't the same at all.

There's a certain rhythm and conditioning to playing a game that can take years to find.
 
LeBron would have greatly benefited from the illegal defense rules of the 90's. It was much easier to iso guys back then, when teams doubled they had to commit earlier too, LeBron would have picked them apart with his passing. Also LeBron could just back dudes down from the 3 point line since this was pre Mark Jackson rules. He would have thrived under those rules too. Just like Jordan would have thrived in the modern game.

The only two players where I've never seen their physical gifts equal are Shaq and LeBron. With MJ he had elite physical gifts but it's his mental game where I've never seen the equal.

I think some of the young LeBron fans are morons for their fantasy that MJ played on stacked All Star teams, but I definitely think LeBron would dominate equally in any era of basketball he played in. The idea that LeBron wouldn't have kicked @$$ in the 70s, 80s, or 90s is fantasy.

LeBron is Magic's skills with Karl Malone's physical presence. A ridiculous thing to dream up if we hadn't seen it.
 
From what I remember from previous reports and interviews about it, it seemed like Jordan was loving the challenge, having to struggle, being knocked down a notch.

I also think what people that understand baseball could see is that if Jordan had just played baseball full time, he would've been great. It's simply not a sport you can step away from for that many years. In fact, I don't think people realize that for all his "struggles," going straight to AA like he did was almost unheard of. A tiny fraction of the absolute cream of the crop prospects do occasionally, but that's it. And even though he barely hit over .200, he was figuring it out, and it was clear he was not overwhelmed.

People need to realize that you could probably take most major league guys, take them out of the game completely for 13 years, drop them into AA, and they aren't hitting .200.

This is a long read, but chronicles Jordan's baseball years. I think this is an article I read a while back that made the case for how he was improving.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...ichael-jordan-brief-promising-baseball-career

And here is a clip of Jordan in the 1994 exhibition game against the Cubs at Wrigley:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cycho1
This is a long read, but chronicles Jordan's baseball years. I think this is an article I read a while back that made the case for how he was improving.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...ichael-jordan-brief-promising-baseball-career

And here is a clip of Jordan in the 1994 exhibition game against the Cubs at Wrigley:


Yeah, it's pretty crazy, because people that don't really follow baseball buy the notion that he sucked at it, and the hardcore baseball people seemed to be a bit insulted by it and downplayed what he did.

He got thrown into a level that was significantly higher than a guy that was the best prospect in recent years in Bryce Harper. It took Mike Trout, one of the All-time greats his third year I believe to reach AA.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LindenCy
Last time I opened this thread I was on Page 2. Skipped past everything to Page 17.

You are idiots are STILL arguing MJ v LeBron. Let's just make this one of the forbidden topics and move it to the cave.
 
Haha, this is exactly my point. That'd been considered a light pick back in the day. Imagine how he'd react with Rodman, Barkley, Oakley, Mahorn, Malone, et al bruising on the guy for 48 minutes.

LeBron has 40 lbs on Rodman, 25 on Oakley, 10 on Mahorn, he’s the same size as Malone. He’s huge. He played 40+ min a game through four rounds of the playoffs for eight straight years. Any argument that he would be the one who couldn’t handle the physical aspect of the game is crazy. Players flop all the time in today’s game, it’s part of the modern NBA unfortunately.
 
From what I remember from previous reports and interviews about it, it seemed like Jordan was loving the challenge, having to struggle, being knocked down a notch.

I also think what people that understand baseball could see is that if Jordan had just played baseball full time, he would've been great. It's simply not a sport you can step away from for that many years. In fact, I don't think people realize that for all his "struggles," going straight to AA like he did was almost unheard of. A tiny fraction of the absolute cream of the crop prospects do occasionally, but that's it. And even though he barely hit over .200, he was figuring it out, and it was clear he was not overwhelmed.

People need to realize that you could probably take most major league guys, take them out of the game completely for 13 years, drop them into AA, and they aren't hitting .200.

Hitting .206 or whatever is was he hit in AA is impressive. Not really sure how it was back then, but high level college ball is considered to be somewhere around the High-A level, and the jump from high A to AA is considered the biggest jump in the minors

Kind of think pitchers were being nice and just feeding him fastballs though.
 
Last time I opened this thread I was on Page 2. Skipped past everything to Page 17.

You are idiots are STILL arguing MJ v LeBron. Let's just make this one of the forbidden topics and move it to the cave.
Keegan-Michael-Key-Thank-you.gif
 
Actually from what I heard once on the radio, he liked riding in the buses with the minor league guys and had some fun.

It would have been interesting to know if MJ played baseball instead of basketball how good he would have been. Obviously he wasn’t good in the minors but he went from the couch to the minor leagues. Not hard to figure out why he didn’t succeed.
 
From what I remember from previous reports and interviews about it, it seemed like Jordan was loving the challenge, having to struggle, being knocked down a notch.

I also think what people that understand baseball could see is that if Jordan had just played baseball full time, he would've been great. It's simply not a sport you can step away from for that many years. In fact, I don't think people realize that for all his "struggles," going straight to AA like he did was almost unheard of. A tiny fraction of the absolute cream of the crop prospects do occasionally, but that's it. And even though he barely hit over .200, he was figuring it out, and it was clear he was not overwhelmed.

People need to realize that you could probably take most major league guys, take them out of the game completely for 13 years, drop them into AA, and they aren't hitting .200.

Beat me to it. Hell Connor Mccaffery plays baseball in college and he couldn’t hit .200 in AA.
 
Hitting .206 or whatever is was he hit in AA is impressive. Not really sure how it was back then, but high level college ball is considered to be somewhere around the High-A level, and the jump from high A to AA is considered the biggest jump in the minors

Kind of think pitchers were being nice and just feeding him fastballs though.

I doubt pitchers were letting him off the hook. I doubt an athlete playing to move up tries to throw cheeseballs to anyone
 
I doubt pitchers were letting him off the hook. I doubt an athlete playing to move up tries to throw cheeseballs to anyone
Maybe their managers instructed them to throw a few cheeseballs to him because Jordan was putting butts in the seats of minor league games.
 
Hitting .206 or whatever is was he hit in AA is impressive. Not really sure how it was back then, but high level college ball is considered to be somewhere around the High-A level, and the jump from high A to AA is considered the biggest jump in the minors

Kind of think pitchers were being nice and just feeding him fastballs though.

I don't think is the case. It's really hard to believe a guy battling for his livelihood and dream is going to serve up meatballs. Not to mention there was a lot of resentment by people that thought it was a sideshow and a slap in the face that Jordan was playing and going right to AA. He did earn a lot of respect.

I find it interesting that at the start of Jordan's baseball career, those outside of baseball seemed to mostly think, "he can probably be really good" and by the time he called it quits, they just assumed he sucked. The "inside baseball" guys thought there was no way in hell a guy can be away from the game for 13 years and succeed at any level, let alone AA. By the end those guys were saying how good he was and could be if he stayed with it.

Agree too, I have always read that A to AA is the biggest jump. I remember Kirby Puckett talking about how AA was the toughest for him. Combination of great pitching talent that was still raw and unpredictable, bad lighting and really weird fields. He said it wouldn't be like that for everybody, but for the less patient hitters like him it was a struggle.
 
I don't think is the case. It's really hard to believe a guy battling for his livelihood and dream is going to serve up meatballs. Not to mention there was a lot of resentment by people that thought it was a sideshow and a slap in the face that Jordan was playing and going right to AA. He did earn a lot of respect.

I find it interesting that at the start of Jordan's baseball career, those outside of baseball seemed to mostly think, "he can probably be really good" and by the time he called it quits, they just assumed he sucked. The "inside baseball" guys thought there was no way in hell a guy can be away from the game for 13 years and succeed at any level, let alone AA. By the end those guys were saying how good he was and could be if he stayed with it.

Agree too, I have always read that A to AA is the biggest jump. I remember Kirby Puckett talking about how AA was the toughest for him. Combination of great pitching talent that was still raw and unpredictable, bad lighting and really weird fields. He said it wouldn't be like that for everybody, but for the less patient hitters like him it was a struggle.

Double AA is typically where the young stud prospects go before their jump to the show, at least it used to be.
 
I think they are trying to see who can toss a quarter closest to the wall without hitting it