Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[madguy30]

You know a really good way to undermine the importance of your message? Don’t follow it yourself. Trump is obviously an idiot but people follow his lead and when you have him and Fauci basically saying everyone should wear masks but you know we’re not going to do. Maintain six feet of social distancing, but we’re all gonna cram up here on stage day after day. It undermines their message.

Imo there's a message of 'See? We're interacting in small groups without masks and we're fine, and we'll all be able to do this very soon' being shown there and it's not up to Dr. Fauci on whether or not it happens, and he doesn't have a choice if he wants to still be able to inform the public.

I saw a reporter tried to ask HIM about these drugs being used, and the reporter pointed out he was trying to ask an actual doctor, and they got shut down and berated before Fauci could answer.

 

[Cyched]

Couldn't follow the press conference because of a meeting.

Sounds like she basically rounded out her de facto SIP? Good to hear they will be imposing fines for large gatherings; some sort of deterrent was needed.

 

[isutrevman]

So, should we listen to the CDC or not? It seems that several want to say listen to them, but then say they were unreliable in the past. If your past is unreliable, why would your present be reliable? Or is it that it now just coincides with what people want to hear?

That's a valid question. I don't know. I would definitely wear a mask though.

 

[BCClone]

Imo there's a message of 'See? We're interacting in small groups without masks and we're fine, and we'll all be able to do this very soon' being shown there and it's not up to Dr. Fauci on whether or not it happens, and he doesn't have a choice if he wants to still be able to inform the public.

I saw a reporter tried to ask HIM about these drugs being used, and the reporter pointed out he was trying to ask an actual doctor, and they got shut down and berated before Fauci could answer.

Why doesn't he at least go stand to the side and try to space himself 6 foot from everyone? That would help his message tremendously if he did.

 

[Acylum]

The CDC has been a disaster during this entire epidemic. Their whole reason for existence is to help prevent disease outbreaks like this, and, if they do occur, help mitigate the damage and keep the public informed on safety precautions to take. First, they screwed up testing early on by claiming they had it covered when it turned out their tests were faulty and they only had a fraction of what was actually needed. Then they spent weeks informing the public that no one needed to wear masks because they did nothing to prevent you from getting the virus. Now they have done a 180 and are telling people to wear masks whenever you are out in public. States are actually REQUIRING people to wear masks now. Either they were lying about the effectiveness of masks the whole time (likely) or they were ignorant of it. The CDC has probably done more damage their reputation than anyone throughout this whole crises. Telling people not to wear masks has to be one of the biggest blunders we've ever had from a government agency. Every doctor and nurse in the country knows how important masks are to prevent the spread of disease, yet the CDC had no idea?

Their models could still be accurate, but my god they've lose a lot of credibility.

I would put China and the WHO ahead of the CDC but your point still stands.
Couple other things I noticed- Tomorrow we will exceed 100 patients currently hospitalized for COVID 19 and the rate of discharged and recovering has tapered off significantly. Something to keep an eye on and maybe figured in to Reynolds' decision today.

 

[RoseClone]

They are putting a ton of resources into rapid testing.

Wait, what, they can do both?

 

[isufbcurt]

I will say my "any business who is still operating will at least have a claim to being essential" argument went out the window when I saw the local trophy shop open today.

To be fair, I never argued ALL. There were always businesses open that probably shouldn't have been, but this isn't going to stop it. And the list of businesses closed today will have an immaterial effect overall.

For example they shut down race tracks. Well race tracks were closed to racing, but a few in Iowa had received permission from their County Board of Health to hold private practice sessions. In other words I could have rented the track for a couple hours and was allowed to bring a couple crew members. Is closing this down really going to accomplish much, no.

 

[HFCS]

With zero knowledge of any company who makes this, can you imagine that anybody who can mfr this stuff is NOT going balls out to make more? What would be their motivation? I don't think this needs to be confirmed by Walter Cronkite's ghost to make it beyond belief.

Now, how much and how fast, those are very good questions, and i have no idea. Still no official scientific proof it really works yet, either, that is probably 4-8 weeks out at best.

I trust companies to increase production on anything with increased demand. Beyond that we're into naive fool territory.

Trust people who promised a quick vaccine at your own risk. Trust people who promised it would be down to zero cases a month ago at your own risk. Oh wait...we're all in this together so that irrational trust of proven liars is actually at my risk as well.

 

[cycloneworld]

I think a big concern is that if the numbers come in lower than thought for round 1, that people will take round 2 less seriously.

The Spanish Flu had 3 rounds and the 2nd was the most deadly by far.

If something like 50k die in the US in round 1, my guess is you’ll see certain people dismissing the need to lock down in the fall or winter for round 2. That could make for far worse initial spread and lead to a much bigger issue.

And that doesn’t consider localized pockets this summer that may spread if people start relaxing and having big gatherings. Or travel picking back up - even limited to business types - around the world.

You are already seeing people starting to go in this direction and we haven't even hit the peak of this yet.

 

[Clonefan32]

To be fair, I never argued ALL. There were always businesses open that probably shouldn't have been, but this isn't going to stop it. And the list of businesses closed today will have an immaterial effect overall.

For example they shut down race tracks. Well race tracks were closed to racing, but a few in Iowa had received permission from their County Board of Health to hold private practice sessions. In other words I could have rented the track for a couple hours and was allowed to bring a couple crew members. Is closing this down really going to accomplish much, no.

Don't say it has no effect. Me and the boys were headed to the bingo hall tonight and had to cancel.

 

[isufbcurt]

Don't say it has no effect. Me and the boys were headed to the bingo hall tonight and had to cancel.

I never said no effect, I said immaterial effect.

 

[cowgirl836]

I think this is another semantics thing. Covid can cause pneumonia in people, and they can die from that pneumonia. They technically may die from pneumonia, but they likely wouldn't have had that pneumonia had they not gotten Covid.

This will probably be the argument from people that will stick to the thought that this is nothing more than just another flu, even though flu can do the same thing.

that's often what those with the flu ultimately die of - pneumonia.

 

[Acylum]

As far as the mask debate, neither Fauci nor the CDC are going to come out and say it, but incorrect use and over confidence of/in masks can actually make matters worse (i.e "Americans are too stupid to make masks effective and the results could be disastrous"). There are plenty of horror stories out there about people with their gloves and masks. I would estimate less than 10% of Americans understand their proper use.

 

[madguy30]

Why doesn't he at least go stand to the side and try to space himself 6 foot from everyone? That would help his message tremendously if he did.

My theory: Because he's being directed not to do that, and needs to follow that rule if he wants to stay on the team. Otherwise there'd be more time given to the doctors at the briefings.

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

This is a step in the right direction today from our governor. As cases and deaths likely continue to go up, she continue to close more things down and stricter guidelines will be put out. I wish she would have done this sooner, but it is what it is.

 

[Cyched]

As far as the mask debate, neither Fauci nor the CDC are going to come out and say it, but incorrect use and over confidence of/in mask use can actually make matters worse (i.e "Americans are too stupid to make masks effective and the results could be disastrous). There are plenty of horror stories out there about people with their gloves and masks. I would estimate less than 10% of Americans understand their proper use.

I'm still somewhat confused over the change in recommendation on masks. They started by saying they can't protect you, but now that protection is better than nothing. But it sounds like they think it'll be extra protection for the asymptomatic carriers.

I'll probably wear one next time I go to the grocery store. I've been washing my hands before and after getting groceries; sounds like they recommend washing cloth masks after you go out.

 

[HFCS]

As far as the mask debate, neither Fauci nor the CDC are going to come out and say it, but incorrect use and over confidence of/in mask use can actually make matters worse (i.e "Americans are too stupid to make masks effective and the results could be disastrous). There are plenty of horror stories out there about people with their gloves and masks. I would estimate less than 10% of Americans understand their proper use.

I'm guessing 80% of the people in LA are wearing masks out on the street or in stores now, probably 50% have been for 3+ weeks now. Asian community has been for years here.

LA is doing better per capita than most large cities, I imagine SF/Seattle has a similar pro-mask culture with their asian community and is doing ok despite being the first places an outbreak occurred. It's hard to imagine masks make it worse.

 

[NorthCyd]

I'm still somewhat confused over the change in recommendation on masks. They started by saying they can't protect you, but now that protection is better than nothing. But it sounds like they think it'll be extra protection for the asymptomatic carriers.

I'll probably wear one next time I go to the grocery store. I've been washing my hands before and after getting groceries; sounds like they recommend washing cloth masks after you go out.

It's to stop you from infecting others if you have it and don't know it. So wearing the mask is not for your protection but everyone else's. That's why they are saying cloth masks like bandanas and whatnot are effective for this.

 

[jkbuff98]

Fauci was responding to a reporter’s question about why he was not wearing a face mask during the White House’s daily press briefing when he shared the test results.

“The major reason to wear a face mask, is to protect you from infecting you,” Fauci said while pointing into the press gallery.

“I had my test yesterday and it’s negative,” he said.

 

[ScottyP]

I'm trying to figure out why some are saying that "a vaccine is coming quickly" statement was a lie. What is the timeline for a vaccine to be arriving "quickly"?