Friday OT - The Big Cheese

I don’t know, I think with REM it might be because he started over singing everything after their drummer left the band. His irritating voice then started to dominate. They were a more balanced band before that.

I agree regarding "balance." I love the thread topic, but R.E.M./Stipe might not be the strongest example (sorry, @Angie --- please don't hate me :)). Buck's guitar style is a key part of the sound (especially in first few years it set a distinct core), as is Mike Mills' harmony blend with Stipe.
 
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An example, somewhat, of The Opposite of the premise, when each member of original unit is indispensable to nearly equal degree: The Who.

Townshend: Songwriting obviously, attitude & theatrics
Daltrey: Some other wailer might have worked, but it's a siganture voice type & quality that's hard to reverse-engineer auditorially.
Moon: Nobody is Keith Moon
Entwistle: Seemingly the "replaceable" member, but it's untrue. Listen closely to the bass the next time you hear some Who songs.

I will fight you. There is no Who w/o The Ox.
I heard Eminence Front in the car the other day...listen to that sometime and just hone in on Entwistle's bass. It is so deep and vast, just remarkable. So much power. Thunder Fingers indeed.
 
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I agree regarding "balance." I love the thread topic, but R.E.M./Stipe might not be the strongest example (sorry, @Angie --- please don't hate me :)). Buck's guitar style is a key part of the sound (especially in first few years it set a distinct core), as is Mike Mills' harmony blend with Stipe.

Conspiracy theory: @Angie knew full well what she was doing starting with that post. This thread was bound to evolve into a full scale discussion of band dynamics.
 
Pixies without Black Francis.
Weezer without Rivers.
Or Meg White. You can hear the difference between a White Stripes song and a song by Jack White or any of his other bands. It's a very, um...distinctive sound on drums.

But anyone could play like Meg. Very simple drum beats.
 
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Wilco - That's Jeff Tweedy's band all the way.

The National - Hard to imagine any voice other than Matt Berninger singing one of their songs.

Alabama Shakes - Talented musicians, but Brittany Howard's voice drives that whole thing.

I'm trying to think of a non-singer for this but off the top of my head I'm coming up empty. Maybe John Frusciante for RHCP? I mean, they're still big without him but their work with him on guitar is their best.

I think with The National the Dessner brothers do all of the arrangements and Berenger just adds vocals. I get that his voice is everything but they’re a great example of a band that’s not just one person.
 
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Pixies without Black Francis.
Weezer without Rivers.


But anyone could play like Meg. Very simple drum beats.

But part of the mystique of the White Stripes was the nature of the relationship between the two? Siblings? Married? Yeah, the drumming is super basic but it wouldn't have been the same energy or vibe with some beginner's music class rando sitting up there on stage.
 
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But part of the mystique of the White Stripes was the nature of the relationship between the two? Siblings? Married? Yeah, the drumming is super basic but it wouldn't have been the same energy or vibe with some beginner's music class rando sitting up there on stage.

Than we disagree completely. The Stripes was all Jack to me. Meg just sat there and drummed basic **** while he went crazy on guitar and keyboards.
 
If you're a huge Genesis fan (if they exist) you probably still miss Peter Gabriel...
Good catch. Post 1975 - it was all Phil Collins - and, when he completed his solo projects while continuing to do work with Genesis, you couldn't really distinguish which source the song was from. BTW, I really like Genesis as well as a LOT of PC's stuff (especially on his earliest solo albums).
 
I will fight you. There is no Who w/o The Ox.
I heard Eminence Front in the car the other day...listen to that sometime and just hone in on Entwistle's bass. It is so deep and vast, just remarkable. So much power. Thunder Fingers indeed.

I'm in complete agree about The Ox -- my lead-in to his summary might have been misleading. I said "seemingly dispensable" when I meant more like "seemingly the least essential, on the surface."
 
I kind of get this topic, but I kind of don't. Like with REM, you say Michael Stipe and I'll say Mike Mills. His harmonizing vocals are immediately identifiable. You say Thom Yorke, I'll say Johnny Greenwood. The guy is an instrumental genius and one of the more mesmerizing guitar players of our time. And for that matter Phil Selway on drums, I don't think people appreciate what he does with some of the seriously whacked out arrangements that band delivers.

I agree that a guy like David Byrne and his unique voice is the front porch of everyone's perception of the Talking Heads. And that this is the case with other bands like Malkmus with Pavement. Just not sure I agree that you could take Mills away and REM would be the same REM, or that you could take Iha away and Smashing Pumpkins would be the same Smashing Pumpkins, etc.
 
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This thread reminds me of a suggestion I recently heard someone make which kind of blew me away:

"Jimmy Page is the least talented member of Led Zeppelin..."

Think about how talented Page is. Now consider that it's likely a true statement.
 
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I'm in complete agree about The Ox -- my lead-in to his summary might have been misleading. I said "seemingly dispensable" when I meant more like "seemingly the least essential, on the surface."
Ha, I'm just playing...totally got you and agree.
 
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Than we disagree completely. The Stripes was all Jack to me. Meg just sat there and drummed basic **** while he went crazy on guitar and keyboards.


So...pistols at dawn? Hand to hand combat? Swords? Log rolling? I'm up for whatever.
 
I agree that a guy like David Byrne and his unique voice is the front porch of everyone's perception of the Talking Heads. And that this is the case with other bands like Malkmus with Pavement. Just not sure I agree that you could take Mills away and REM would be the same REM, or that you could take Iha away and Smashing Pumpkins would be the same Smashing Pumpkins, etc.


This where we get into the weeds if we're nerds. Tina Weymouth's BASS is on the front porch of Psycho Killer, Warning Sign and Born Under Punches, imo.
Like @jbindm says, it's the person who is the straw that stirs the drink. Non nerds will agree that Stipe is that, ten times out of ten.
 
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To me, the definitive one is CCR. They won't even let the reunited band be called Creedence Clearwater Revival without John Fogarty.