ISU Bowl Projections

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Most major sports media bowl projectionists seem to be sticking with the same 2017 bowl projection they had for Iowa State before the Cyclones lost to Kansas State in the final regular season game last Saturday. The majority consensus is that Iowa State will play in the Camping World Bowl in Orlando, followed by the Liberty Bowl in Memphis with the second most number of projections.


These bowl projectionists seem to be overlooking the fact that Iowa State lost to Kansas State last weekend, however, and with head to head losses vs every other team ISU is tied for fourth with in the Big 12 final season standings, the Cyclones technically finished seventh in the conference – second to last out of all bowl eligible teams ahead of Texas Tech. If it is true that bowl committees generally pick the team with the highest conference standing still available from the list of contracted conference teams available that they can choose from then it is very unlikely Iowa State will be selected by the Camping World Bowl.


Most bowl projectionists agree on two scenarios that will determine what bowl games the Big 12 eligible teams will play in –


Scenario 1 - Oklahoma AND TCU play in New Year’s CFP games – either CFP Semifinal Invite for Oklahoma and TCU gets at-large New Year’s bowl, OR no Semi-final invite for OK and TCU is still selected to a New Year's bowl.


If this occurs, Oklahoma State will be first in line when the Big12 conference contract bowls select teams. Starting with OK State here is the likely 2017 Big 12 conference bowl game selections (with consideration of the possibility that some teams may not be selected to a bowl based solely on their final conference standing due to playing in the same bowl game in 2016) -


1. Alamo - Oklahoma State - Only reason OKState would not play in the Alamo is because they played in it last year, but it is extremely likely the Alamo will not pass on the highest ranked team with the best record (after OK & TCU) in OK State.


2. Camping World – Texas


3. Texas Bowl – West Virginia – The Mountaineers played in the Russell Athletic Bowl last year which is now the Camping World Bowl (CWB). It is not uncommon for bowl committees to select a different team out of conference standing pecking order in these situations. This might be the reason for all the Iowa State Camping World projections because of Texas’ 6-6 record and WVU having played in the CW bowl last year. But again, even if the CWB committee decides to skip WVU and Texas, IF the committee selects the next highest team in conference standing they would pick Kansas State – Not Iowa State. KState also played in the Texas Bowl last year which might factor in to the selection process.


4. Liberty – Kansas State


5. Cactus – Iowa State


6. Zaxby's HOD Bowl – Texas Tech


Scenario 2 - Oklahoma plays in semi-final or other CFP New Year’s bowl and TCU does not – in this scenario TCU gets bumped down into first place in the Big 12 contracted bowl games list.


1. Alamo - TCU


2. Camping World – Oklahoma State


3. Texas Bowl – Texas


5. Liberty – West Virginia


5. Cactus – Kansas State


6. Zaxby's HOD Bowl – Iowa State


7. ? - Texas Tech



No matter if TCU wins or loses this Saturday in the championship game it looks very likely they will be playing up in one of the New Year’s At Large bowls – which means scenario 1 seems to be far more likely than 2. Based on historical precedence in how bowl committees select teams by final conference standing if fan base travel and other revenue indicators are close, odds are poor that Iowa State will be selected to the Camping World Bowl, and it is far more likely that the Cyclones wind up in the Cactus Bowl unless one of the higher selection bowl committees selects Iowa State due to previously mentioned reasons that they feel will ultimately lead to higher attendance and revenue for their bowl. As a Cyclone Alum and Fan I sure hope that is the case.



With all that said – until later this Sunday evening no one knows for sure what bowl game Iowa State or any other Big 12 team will be selected to, but if you are a gambler and are thinking about booking rooms or flights to beat the rush when Iowa State is officially selected on Sunday you might want to add Phoenix to your pre-bowl selection travel arrangements. Just make sure those rooms and flights can be cancelled without penalty no matter what bowls you bet on!
 
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I think you are wrong.
I sincerely hope so. As I'm sure you and most Cyclones feel I believe Iowa State is a far better team than 7-5, especially considering the average point margin in the games they lost and defeating two top five teams, and deserving of a much better bowl than Cactus. Lets just hope a better bowl committee feels the same.
 
I sincerely hope so. As I'm sure you and most Cyclones feel I believe Iowa State is a far better team than 7-5, especially considering the average point margin in the games they lost and defeating two top five teams, and deserving of a much better bowl than Cactus. Lets just hope a better bowl committee feels the same.

Did you miss the other Bowl thread?
 
I sincerely hope so. As I'm sure you and most Cyclones feel I believe Iowa State is a far better team than 7-5, especially considering the average point margin in the games they lost and defeating two top five teams, and deserving of a much better bowl than Cactus. Lets just hope a better bowl committee feels the same.

Bowl games care mainly about tickets sold, hotel rooms rented, and a good TV match up. The actual standings are relevant, but not nearly as much as you indicate, particularly around tightly bunched teams. Hell, if they wanted, the Alamo Bowl can select ISU.
 
Most major sports media bowl projectionists seem to be sticking with the same 2017 bowl projection they had for Iowa State before the Cyclones lost to Kansas State in the final regular season game last Saturday. The majority consensus is that Iowa State will play in the Camping World Bowl in Orlando, followed by the Liberty Bowl in Memphis with the second most number of projections.

These bowl projectionists seem to be overlooking the fact that Iowa State lost to Kansas State last weekend, however, and with head to head losses vs every other team ISU is tied for fourth with in the Big 12 final season standings, the Cyclones technically finished seventh in the conference – second to last out of all bowl eligible teams ahead of Texas Tech. If it is true that bowl committees generally pick the team with the highest conference standing still available from the list of contracted conference teams available that they can choose from then it is very unlikely Iowa State will be selected by the Camping World Bowl.

Most bowl projectionists agree on two scenarios that will determine what bowl games the Big 12 eligible teams will play in –

Scenario 1 - Oklahoma AND TCU play in New Year’s CFP games – either CFP Semifinal Invite for Oklahoma and TCU gets at-large New Year’s bowl, OR no Semi-final invite for OK and TCU is still selected to a New Year's bowl.

If this occurs, Oklahoma State will be first in line when the Big12 conference contract bowls select teams. Starting with OK State here is the likely 2017 Big 12 conference bowl game selections (with consideration of the possibility that some teams may not be selected to a bowl based solely on their final conference standing due to playing in the same bowl game in 2016) -

1. Alamo - Oklahoma State - Only reason OKState would not play in the Alamo is because they played in it last year, but it is extremely likely the Alamo will not pass on the highest ranked team with the best record (after OK & TCU) in OK State.

2. Camping World – Texas

3. Texas Bowl – West Virginia – The Mountaineers played in the Russell Athletic Bowl last year which is now the Camping World Bowl (CWB). It is not uncommon for bowl committees to select a different team out of conference standing pecking order in these situations. This might be the reason for all the Iowa State Camping World projections because of Texas’ 6-6 record and WVU having played in the CW bowl last year. But again, even if the CWB committee decides to skip WVU and Texas, IF the committee selects the next highest team in conference standing they would pick Kansas State – Not Iowa State. KState also played in the Texas Bowl last year which might factor in to the selection process.

4. Liberty – Kansas State

5. Cactus – Iowa State

6. Zaxby's HOD Bowl – Texas Tech

Scenario 2 - Oklahoma plays in semi-final or other CFP New Year’s bowl and TCU does not – in this scenario TCU gets bumped down into first place in the Big 12 contracted bowl games list.

1. Alamo - TCU

2. Camping World – Oklahoma State

3. Texas Bowl – Texas (Only reason Texas would play in lower Big 12 contract bowl is due to their overall 6-6 record. But it is hard to imagine that Texas Bowl officials would not vote for Texas due to them being the home state team with a huge fan base that would likely sell out the game. Texas 6-6 record is probably why some analysts have projected Iowa State to this bowl - that and KState played in this bowl last year.)

4. Liberty – Kansas State (Kansas State travels well and even though Iowa State was the far more interesting team and arguably better team throughout the season it is unlikely the Liberty bowl would skip on the Wild Cats)

5. Cactus – Iowa State

6. Zaxby's HOD Bowl – Texas Tech


Because bowl committees normally select conference teams with the highest final standing still available in the list of bowl eligible teams it can choose from, Iowa State has a far higher probability of playing in the Cactus bowl vs. the majority of analysts projecting them to the Camping World bowl. It is also true that Bowl committees are not forced to pick purely based on conference standing, however, and there are plenty of examples of lower ranked conference teams being selected over higher conference finishers because of a better traveling fan base, favorable media coverage throughout the regular season and higher public interest than a lower ranked team, and other tangible and intangible reasons. If any of the selection committees decide to waver from the generally accepted practice of selecting teams based on final conference standing then trying to predict what bowl almost any Big 12 team is going to play in is a low probability crap shoot at best -without inside information from the bowl committees themselves.

Again based on historical precedence in how bowl committees select teams odds are poor that Iowa State will be selected to the Camping World Bowl, and it is far more likely that the Cyclones wind up in the Cactus Bowl unless one of the higher selection bowl committees selects Iowa State due to previously mentioned reasons that they feel will ultimately lead to higher attendance and revenue for their bowl. As a Cyclone Alum and Fan I sure hope that is the case.


With all that said – until later this Sunday evening no one knows for sure what bowl game Iowa State or any other Big 12 team will be selected to, but if you are a gambler and are thinking about booking rooms or flights to beat the rush when Iowa State is officially selected on Sunday you might want to add Phoenix to your pre-bowl selection travel arrangements. Just make sure those rooms and flights can be cancelled without penalty no matter what bowls you bet on!
What happened to West Virginia in Senerario 2?
 
What happened to West Virginia in Scenario 2?
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Bowl games care mainly about tickets sold, hotel rooms rented, and a good TV match up. The actual standings are relevant, but not nearly as much as you indicate, particularly around tightly bunched teams. Hell, if they wanted, the Alamo Bowl can select ISU.

God that would be great. Maybe I didn't put it correctly, but all things equal with the fan base and selling tickets, rooms - ultimately making the most $ possible - bowl selection committees will choose the team with the highest standing from the contracted conference. I do not want my Cyclones to play in the Cactus bowl for a number of reasons the biggest of which is logistical trouble for me and my kids to make that game - we can't make that drive and back to phoenix. You looked at flights around Christmas? Holy as he!! expensive batman! Obviously the Cactus is a low tier bowl too - this Cyclone team deserves far better than that. The deal with ISU when it comes to both bowl attractiveness because of fan-base travel, etc., and conference standing is this - they are competing with Kansas State, West Virginia, and possibly Texas for a Texas bowl or above selection and all of those programs have great fans that travel well too. Are they as good as Cyclone Fans - he!! no! Lets just hope the better bowl committees agree!
 
God that would be great. Maybe I didn't put it correctly, but all things equal with the fan base and selling tickets, rooms - ultimately making the most $ possible - bowl selection committees will choose the team with the highest standing from the contracted conference. I do not want my Cyclones to play in the Cactus bowl for a number of reasons the biggest of which is logistical trouble for me and my kids to make that game - we can't make that drive and back to phoenix. You looked at flights around Christmas? Holy as he!! expensive batman! Obviously the Cactus is a low tier bowl too - this Cyclone team deserves far better than that. The deal with ISU when it comes to both bowl attractiveness because of fan-base travel, etc., and conference standing is this - they are competing with Kansas State, West Virginia, and possibly Texas for a Texas bowl or above selection and all of those programs have great fans that travel well too. Are they as good as Cyclone Fans - he!! no! Lets just hope the better bowl committees agree!

It's actually not a bad drive. My wife and I have made it numerous times to visit our step-daughter at ASU.
 
What happened to West Virginia in Senerario 2?
Crap I wrote most of that in Word because it was easier to edit in than the forum text area box and I copied in an old edit somehow. Great catch and thanks for pointing it out. I sure hope to hel! I'm wrong on all this because anything under about the Texas bowl would suck in my opinion given the quality of this team and their performance this season. Ya the November losses were a heart breaker and none more so than the KState game which I was at - God my gut still hurts from that gut punch. I can't recall another FBS team with such a low margin in losses - hell one in OT, and three by less than one score (7pts)?! Iowa State is a far better team than Kansas State and West Virginia in my opinion despite those two close losses. With the latest Texas news on players out or sitting out of "minor" bowl game I would hope ISU gets the nod over the longhorns too. No matter what this team deserves to play in a higher bowl than the Cactus for sure, but I just hope a higher bowl committee agrees! I was merely pointing out the cold hard facts if all else is considered equal with the committees on the 4-way tied teams with ISU having those damn head-to-head losses vs. the other three 5-4 Big 12 finishers.
 
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I’m sure pollard is right by pretty much saying TCU wins Saturday we are in Orlando, lose and it’s Memphis. Liberty bowl wants us bad and I’m sure Orlando would love to take us if 2 Big 12 teams are in NY6 bowl to free up a space.
 
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Brett McMurphy of ESPN just came out with his projections...

Has ISU vs. Oregon in Cactus as well.

I've seen a lot of Cactus as of late as well. OP isn't wrong.

https://www.thescore.com/ncaaf/news/1429484
Ya, that sucks. USA Today I hate to say has projected the same in their latest bowl projections too -

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/2...636474588676074227-11-28-bowl-projections.jpg

I sure hope he's wrong about ISU to the Cactus and KState to Camping World flip flop. Mr. Smith must be basing that on final conference standings though..
 
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I’m sure pollard is right by pretty much saying TCU wins Saturday we are in Orlando, lose and it’s Memphis. Liberty bowl wants us bad and I’m sure Orlando would love to take us if 2 Big 12 teams are in NY6 bowl to free up a space.
Go TCU then! No matter what I'd take Liberty over Cactus as much as it pains me to say that. I was at the last one when ISU lost to Tulsa. Not only did that suck big time, but the weather, stadium and just Memphis for a bowl location in December really isn't all that ideal. But that drive is very dooable for us whereas the Cactus no way can we drive that due to family in town for Christmas and not being able to leave. With four kids doubt we'd be able to pony up for flights to PHX too. So here's to any bowl better than Cactus!
 
Do you make it a 2 day trip or drive straight through? If it is Phoenix, we will probably have to drive as well.

2 day trip. We take I35 to Wichita. Then US Highway 54 through SW Kansas, the panhandle of Okie and NW Texas. Meet up with I40 at Tucumcari, NM. We either stay there or keep driving and stay in Albuquerque.

The 2nd year ISU won the Big 12 title in BB, we stopped in Liberal, KS and watched ISU squeak out the win against OU (where Spangler missed the layup).
 
God that would be great. Maybe I didn't put it correctly, but all things equal with the fan base and selling tickets, rooms - ultimately making the most $ possible - bowl selection committees will choose the team with the highest standing from the contracted conference. I do not want my Cyclones to play in the Cactus bowl for a number of reasons the biggest of which is logistical trouble for me and my kids to make that game - we can't make that drive and back to phoenix. You looked at flights around Christmas? Holy as he!! expensive batman! Obviously the Cactus is a low tier bowl too - this Cyclone team deserves far better than that. The deal with ISU when it comes to both bowl attractiveness because of fan-base travel, etc., and conference standing is this - they are competing with Kansas State, West Virginia, and possibly Texas for a Texas bowl or above selection and all of those programs have great fans that travel well too. Are they as good as Cyclone Fans - he!! no! Lets just hope the better bowl committees agree!


For many years Iowa jumped teams in that slap and tickle league. Why? Because they travel.

Iowa State will take 25-35 K to any destination. The NCAA may care about TVs and pecking order. The bowls have to live in their community.
 
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2 day trip. We take I35 to Wichita. Then US Highway 54 through SW Kansas, the panhandle of Okie and NW Texas. Meet up with I40 at Tucumcari, NM. We either stay there or keep driving and stay in Albuquerque.

The 2nd year ISU won the Big 12 title in BB, we stopped in Liberal, KS and watched ISU squeak out the win against OU (where Spangler missed the layup).

Sadly, I've been to Liberal a handful of time due to my prior work. Yuck lol

If we make a trip of it, we might make it a sight seeing trip over a few days.
 
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