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Will we make the ncaa tournament (PIG doesn't count)

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Gunnerclone said:
The only thing I've said definitively is that if we're 10-8+ in conference, no matter what else happens in the conference tourney, we are in. Again. Winning record in the conference. We're in.
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Absolutely agree. To get to 10-8 we need to go 5-5 to finish.

I would assume wins over Texas, Oklahoma, OkSt, and TCU. I would also assume losses @ku and @wvu.

So that leaves the "toss ups," and we would have to win one of these: wvu tomorrow, @kst, @tech, and Baylor at home. I do think we can win one of these four, but what if we slip up against one of those first four, then we'll need 2 of these. That's where things get tricky.
 
WastedTalent said:
Absolutely agree. To get to 10-8 we need to go 5-5 to finish.

I would assume wins over Texas, Oklahoma, OkSt, and TCU. I would also assume losses @ku and @wvu.

So that leaves the "toss ups," and we would have to win one of these: wvu tomorrow, @kst, @tech, and Baylor at home. I do think we can win one of these four, but what if we slip up against one of those first four, then we'll need 2 of these. That's where things get tricky.
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I agree but this is life in the big 12. I remember being at Hilton in the Royce year playing a good Baylor team the last game of the season to either go 9-9 or 10-8. People are jumping off of buildings to make this team seem like some evil, terrible piece of **** not worthy of wearing the cardinal and gold and it's pathetic.
 
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Gunnerclone said:
I agree but this is life in the big 12. I remember being at Hilton in the Royce year playing a good Baylor team the last game of the season to either go 9-9 or 10-8. People are jumping off of buildings to make this team seem like some evil, terrible piece of **** not worthy of wearing the cardinal and gold and it's pathetic.
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The problem with that Royce team was it was just scratching the surface, since ISU has since strung together multiple years of high seeds.

The expectation is somehow that it's going to be like that all the time, and that's just not the case. There aren't many programs where it IS the case, and it's certainly not at a place like ISU that has a fairly marginal history in regards to the NCAA tournament.

My hope is they pull it off and get in mainly for the senior group...if not, life goes on.

The pressure of being a D1 college athlete has to be enough...to be under constant scrutiny via technology must be exhausting for an 18-22 year old.
 
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Gunnerclone said:
I agree but this is life in the big 12. I remember being at Hilton in the Royce year playing a good Baylor team the last game of the season to either go 9-9 or 10-8. People are jumping off of buildings to make this team seem like some evil, terrible piece of **** not worthy of wearing the cardinal and gold and it's pathetic.
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I remember that Royce team finishing 12-6 in the Big 12.
 
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awd4cy said:
I remember that Royce team finishing 12-6 in the Big 12.
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Yeah...according to Wiki they had 9 losses at that point overall.

Were on about the same pace as this year's team for losses, although it's likely this team ends up with anywhere from 11-13 total.

Lost to Drake and UNI. I bet this site was on fire those weeks.

I also wonder what the people that are still at a loss after ISU got beat by OU last year in the Big 12 tourney were thinking when Royce lost to Texas first round.
 
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madguy30 said:
The problem with that Royce team was it was just scratching the surface, since ISU has since strung together multiple years of high seeds.

The expectation is somehow that it's going to be like that all the time, and that's just not the case. There aren't many programs where it IS the case, and it's certainly not at a place like ISU that has a fairly marginal history in regards to the NCAA tournament.

My hope is they pull it off and get in mainly for the senior group...if not, life goes on.

The pressure of being a D1 college athlete has to be enough...to be under constant scrutiny via technology must be exhausting for an 18-22 year old.
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I get the expectations being high with all the past success, but it takes a great program and a great coach to do it almost every year. When a Cal coached team can lose in the first round of the NIT to Oral Roberts, and the Julius Randle team that went on the run in the tourney was not a great seed. UNC tanked with Daugherty. I understand the senior laden team keeping expectations high despite the huge losses of George's, Nader. and McKay. But that's what I love about college hoops. You never know which role players become stars, which newcomers thrive, and which guys come out of nowhere to become good rotation players.
 
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madguy30 said:
I also wonder what the people that are still at a loss after ISU got beat by OU last year in the Big 12 tourney were thinking when Royce lost to Texas first round.
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Lol, Cyclone Fanatic is directly to blame for that first round loss to Texas. Thanks to the poster that started the "No way do we lose to Texas" thread, the night before the game.

I don't remember the field that year, but it now seems odd for that team to have been a 9 seed. And I don't remember much outrage on CF, but I'd imagine we were all just really pumped to be in the tournament.

This was Iowa St's resume that year:
2 bad losses in the non con Uni & Drake
1 iffy loss in conf @ a 15-18 OkSt
Beat #5 KU
Beat #9 Baylor
12-6 in conf tied for 3rd with #9 Baylor
22-10 overall

If Iowa St had that resume this year, they'd be, at minimum, a 4 seed.
 
WastedTalent said:
I don't remember the field that year, but it now seems odd for that team to have been a 9 seed. And I don't remember much outrage on CF, but I'd imagine we were all just really pumped to be in the tournament.

This was Iowa St's resume that year:
2 bad losses in the non con Uni & Drake
1 iffy loss in conf @ a 15-18 OkSt
Beat #5 KU
Beat #9 Baylor
12-6 in conf tied for 3rd with #9 Baylor
22-10 overall

If Iowa St had that resume this year, they'd be, at minimum, a 4 seed.
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Also had a good loss at U-M (which was a 4 seed --- that's the year Michigan lost to 13 Ohio in first round).

Not sure that season was 4 seed material, it also may have been affected by SOS, which I have no idea what that was in that year.
 
AuH2O said:
I get the expectations being high with all the past success, but it takes a great program and a great coach to do it almost every year. When a Cal coached team can lose in the first round of the NIT to Oral Roberts, and the Julius Randle team that went on the run in the tourney was not a great seed. UNC tanked with Daugherty. I understand the senior laden team keeping expectations high despite the huge losses of George's, Nader. and McKay. But that's what I love about college hoops. You never know which role players become stars, which newcomers thrive, and which guys come out of nowhere to become good rotation players.
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In similar vein, being able to sustain consistent tournament appearances and upper-half conference finishes (and having lengthy stays in top 25 is a bonus) can make it easier to absorb seasons when a team falls short of expectations, and it can be balanced by other seasons when profile isn't as high, but there's overachievement. ... Because those things happen A Lot in CBB.

If we can avoid on-again/off-again sporadic high point (2 years of fairly strong teams, 2 or 3 years rebuilding, etc.), I think it's simpler for fans to roll with the punches.
 
Does anyone know if there is a rule on how many non conference games you can schedule each year or why we were 1 of 2 big 12 teams that only scheduled 12 games instead of 13?
 
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Beyerball said:
Teams outside the Top 20? How about teams outside the top 10? Because that's what u are asking ISU to do in order to make the NCAA tourney right? Lets just take a look at the opportunities ISu has had etc:

KU- #1....Lost by 4
Zags- #2?....Lost by 2 on last possession
Baylor- #4...Lost on last possession
Cinnci #15...Lost on last possession

Iowa- Road loss
Vandy- Road Loss
TCU #49- Road loss.

So either ISU beats a Top 15 team or they are not making the NCAA tourney right?....No.....Aside from Cinnci at home almost rest of ISU schedule to this point is vs teams that are in that 35-100 range.... Now, ISU does have 4 other games vs top 25 teams but they are vs Top 10 teams..Playing a top 10 team at this point in season is alot different than playing a team ranked 23rd. NCAA Committee doesnt require you to beat a top 10 team to make the dance.
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I don't think that was the exact discussion that we were having. But I will agree with you that the committee doesn't require a Top 10 win to make the tournament. I feel like I have been fairly clear on this point, but ISU will need to finish 10-8 in conference to make the tournament. 9-9 will not cut it unless you have a win over West Virginia, Baylor and a win in the Big 12 tourney.
 
rochclone said:
I don't think that was the exact discussion that we were having. But I will agree with you that the committee doesn't require a Top 10 win to make the tournament. I feel like I have been fairly clear on this point, but ISU will need to finish 10-8 in conference to make the tournament. 9-9 will not cut it unless you have a win over West Virginia, Baylor and a win the Big 12 tourney.
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9-9 would do it if we win at KU or beat WV and Baylor at home - it won't matter what happens in the tournament I'd guess. The bubble is really soft and winning at KU or beating 2 Top 10 teams would easily get us in.
 
cycloneworld said:
9-9 would do it if we win at KU or beat WV and Baylor at home - it won't matter what happens in the tournament I'd guess. The bubble is really soft and winning at KU or beating 2 Top 10 teams would easily get us in.
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I understand your point, but in that scenario we would be 17-14 on Selection Sunday. I don't think that is enough if the RPI is in the mid 40's.
 
cycloneworld said:
9-9 would do it if we win at KU or beat WV and Baylor at home - it won't matter what happens in the tournament I'd guess. The bubble is really soft and winning at KU or beating 2 Top 10 teams would easily get us in.
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I think winning just one of Baylor or WVU, and assuming we win 3 of 4 against the lower teams, that puts us 9-9. Then a win in the conf tournament would put us in safely, but a loss would make us sweat a bit, depending on who it's against.
If we win finish 9-9 it's almost certain we'll be a 4, 5, or 6 seed. Obviously, 4 or 5 seed would be better, but mainly we probably just want to avoid the likely 3 seed Baylor or wvu.
 
KCClone1 said:
Wow, OU just choked. Add OSU as another bubble team to worry about
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Take care of them at home and it would be tough to send them instead of us if it came to that. I'm assuming we don't crash and burn.

I was rooting for them since they actually have a chance to make it and OU doesn't. Big 12 loyalty.
 
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