I am in favor of expanding only if a GOR is extended. I am not in favor of just expanding.
***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***
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Doomsday here for us is if UT, TT, OU and OSU head to the PAC12 again, the B1G takes Kansas and UCONN, SEC grabs WVU and TCU, and Notre Dame becomes a full fledged member of the ACC and they take Cinncinatti. I had to go through alot of scenarios to get us left out and that's what I came up with, albeit unrealistic.
I truly think it will all be up to where OU wants to go. If it severs the tie between OSU and goes to the B1G gotta think KU will head that way. If OU is forced to stay together (Pickens recent comments make it feel that way) I feel like we will see them take OSU to the SEC or TT and UT will head west then with them to the PAC12.
I don't see the SEC taking us over WVU. MU is already an outpost.
If OU goes to the SEC I think we have a good chance at survival, hoping our AAU status can keep us in B1G or PAC talks.
My bet is Pollard binds us to KU to barter together, alot like the situation in 2011 with ISU, NU, KU, OU, and TAM heading to the B1G. Which would've been awesome.
I truly think it will all be up to where OU wants to go. If it severs the tie between OSU and goes to the B1G gotta think KU will head that way. If OU is forced to stay together (Pickens recent comments make it feel that way) I feel like we will see them take OSU to the SEC or TT and UT will head west then with them to the PAC12.
I don't see the SEC taking us over WVU. MU is already an outpost.
If OU goes to the SEC I think we have a good chance at survival, hoping our AAU status can keep us in B1G or PAC talks.
My bet is Pollard binds us to KU to barter together, alot like the situation in 2011 with ISU, NU, KU, OU, and TAM heading to the B1G. Which would've been awesome.
My hope is that this is being talked about now behind the scenes and is why B12 expansion talk has slowed down. Adding the AZ schools would go a long way toward stability in the B12 and would move all the scrutiny from the B12 to the remaining PAC 10. I'm sure many of the remaining PAC teams would then be looking to follow AZ & ASU before their conference mates beat them to it.
GOR extensions could well depend on a commitment from the Networks. They may not be willing to do that until they have a better handle on cord cutting.
TCU will never be in Pac 12. Nor will Baylor or BYU. Notre Dame is not joining a conference in football unless forced to and there is nothing forcing them to.
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/barfkn...cle_2d507fc0-3337-11e5-8cc1-4373847a1bfe.html
Lots of other articles out there on it.
Lots of other articles out there on it.
I'd guess that with Big 10 or SEC opponents that number would be consistently more like 60k.
Not to mention SEC would get footprint in Big Ten country with addition of ISU
I am rethinking my stance. No way am I willing to give up Cyclones.tv for the SEC network. Just no......
there is absolutely no chance Texas goes Big Ten. They will not play 14 teams in the northern part of the country. Ain't happening. Texas to ACC with TT. OU and OSU to SEC. ISU and KU to Big Ten.
Only the Big 12 can turn expansion plans into complete doomsday speculation
I just don't know what world people live in that they continually echo chamber TCU or Baylor or any other religious school going to the PAC 12. Not happening....unless Berkeley, Stanford, and Central LA are no longer locations of campuses that are part of the PAC 12 conferences.
No offense but that would be like saying adding BYU get the Big 12 in the Pac 12 footprint.
Any expansion that doesn't include the Big 12 adding teams and instead losing teams is NOT good for ISU.
I don't see under any scenario where ISU is any better than the bottom third of the Big 12 pecking order when it comes to conferences poaching teams. And I am talking SEC, PAC 12, Big 10, and ACC conferences.
I think it would be a lot like the PAC adding Utah despite low population and historically average football tradition.
If you think of the Big 12 as a whole with all the teams, yes, ISU would seemingly be on the bottom of the pecking order. But when you start to place teams, starting with OU and TX and where their likely landing spots are and with who, and throw in religious universities and AAU schools...not so much.
Wow!! I can't believe the 'spins' people put on things.
- The Pac-12 network is NOT working
- The Pac-12 suffers from a late timezone and a 'singular' timezone. The 'midwest' is clearly the most desirable timezone; with the best opportunity to gain views from other timezones.
- The dynamics of viewership is changing. 10 years ago we'd be lucky to see an ISU game on the west coast. Today we can see every game; one way or another. What does that mean? Iowa as a vicinity is less important as the number of alumni world-wide willing to 'tune in'. The only thing changing is 'local advertising'.
- The 'cost' of running a program will always be a consideration. 'Travel' distances ARE important. Especially, when considering 'road' trips.
- The only way to go is 'down'. Contrary the only way to go is up. This season alone we've already seen a 'down' in the Big-12. Oklahoma has lost two. Only WV and Baylor are undefeated. We WILL see 'changes' which will affect whom is desirable and who is not. It wasn't too long ago, TCU, Baylor, K-State was an automatic win. It 'can' happen again. And ISU, under the proper leadership WILL go up the ladder. So, why would a conference choose destiny based on today's status quo? Much much more to take into consideration.
- For the same arguments people present for not wanting a BYU, Memphis, Colorado State, etc. would be the SAME arguments in any other P5 conference.
- So many of you think poaching the Oklahomas is an easy thing to do. From my perspective it just makes no sense at all. (geography, power, cost, etc).
The 'smart' money is on the B12 not dissolving.
