Jordan Harris to transfer

[CyFy]

LB might be a little weaker this year but it should help out with the years to come by getting these younger guys reps. I really like how the LB position is looking in the next couple seasons. I really like Harvey who we have for 3 years and I also like spears McMillan and Northrop. I also really like tymar Sutton and the LB class for 2017 as well. This doesn't even count the LEO position that is pretty much a LB and we have a punch of guys that should be good there too.

I think in year 3 of CMC the LBs will be a strength on this defense.

 

[clonedude]

Does anyone know why Seonbuchner was moved to DE? Was he too slow at LB or what? I was really excited about him as a LB. Seems like the staff likes smaller, faster LB's?

 

[CyFy]

Does anyone know why Seonbuchner was moved to DE? Was he too slow at LB or what? I was really excited about him as a LB. Seems like the staff likes smaller, faster LB's?

It sounded like it was to use him at the LEO that they like. He has about the exact body type that they described for that

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

It sounded like it was to use him at the LEO that they like. He has about the exact body type that they described for that

If Campbell moves you to Leo, it's cause you're a bad bad man. Very excited to watch this defense in the coming seasons.

 

[RustShack]

Does anyone know why Seonbuchner was moved to DE? Was he too slow at LB or what? I was really excited about him as a LB. Seems like the staff likes smaller, faster LB's?

He's a Leo, which is a LB/DE. Basically the rushbacker of a 3-4 defense.

 

[LB52]

This is much worse than those guys, they both had a lot of potential but neither showed they could be a big 12 player game in game out (Coe barely did that), each were projects that never really developed at ISU. Harris is one of the top 2 or 3 players on the defense and plays the position at which we have the shortest depth on the entire team.

Wait. So David Irving didn't show he could play in the Big 12 but he could make this type of impact in the NFL as a rookie who had been out of football for 1.5 years? https://youtu.be/kg-lz8y9ggQ

I think it's safe to say after watching what he did as a Cowboy that he would have been the best defensive lineman to have ever played here had he not been kicked off. He's going to be starting at Defensive End for them this season.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

Wait. So David Irving didn't show he could play in the Big 12 but he could make this type of impact in the NFL as a rookie who had been out of football for 1.5 years? https://youtu.be/kg-lz8y9ggQ

I think it's safe to say after watching what he did as a Cowboy that he would have been the best defensive lineman to have ever played here had he not been kicked off. He's going to be starting at Defensive End for them this season.

What?

 

[cuphues]

Given the Cowboys draft this year, I do not think it likely that Irving starts this year at DE or DT, however he does have a good chance to be a solid rotation guy at both positions. They like him and he is talented enough to get on the field for 15 to 20 plays a game.

 

[BCClone]

Wait. So David Irving didn't show he could play in the Big 12 but he could make this type of impact in the NFL as a rookie who had been out of football for 1.5 years? https://youtu.be/kg-lz8y9ggQ

I think it's safe to say after watching what he did as a Cowboy that he would have been the best defensive lineman to have ever played here had he not been kicked off. He's going to be starting at Defensive End for them this season.

How long is ever in your statement? We have some guys who started in the pros for a while.

 

[letsCYber]

Word is he really hated the white helmets. The controversial piece Williams wrote about them just put him over the top.

I confirmed this with a source close to Jordan. He hates white helmets, and he's a well known Deep Purple fan. He disagreed with the direction of this new regime. From what I heard, the Williams article isn't directly to blame, but he found it pretty insensitive and tone deaf based on all the change he's been dealing with.

 

[khardbored]

Wait. So David Irving didn't show he could play in the Big 12 but he could make this type of impact in the NFL as a rookie who had been out of football for 1.5 years? https://youtu.be/kg-lz8y9ggQ

I think it's safe to say after watching what he did as a Cowboy that he would have been the best defensive lineman to have ever played here had he not been kicked off. He's going to be starting at Defensive End for them this season.

No doubt Irving is a very good d-lineman, and it was a huge loss to lose him, but I'm not sure a YouTube video with 225 views, made by some guy declaring him "the most freakish player in the NFL" really bolsters the argument.

 

[RustShack]

I confirmed this with a source close to Jordan. He hates white helmets, and he's a well known Deep Purple fan. He disagreed with the direction of this new regime. From what I heard, the Williams article isn't directly to blame, but he found it pretty insensitive and tone deaf based on all the change he's been dealing with.

The Iowa State hard hat he said he is keeping forever is white.

 

[D UP Clones]

"If you know to me, you know that a linebacker has to be a guy that’s like a quarterback. They have got to be a communicator, a conductor, and someone who can run sideline to sideline and tackle. The game has changed so much today. Linebackers have to have that unique ability to play in space, especially in our conference. They have to tackle well in space, but also have the ability to come inside and get downhill when the box is reduced. I think we really know what we want from that position and we are really excited to find out who can do it.â€￾

Although said before the Spring game, you have to think that this is part of the explanation. Harvey and Seeley are singled out in the recent article because they are doing better at these things. Too bad. I was looking forward to what Harris could do with the new coaches.

Harvey hasn't done much yet for all the hype and Seeley makes zero plays. He can communicate all day and that's great but if u can't make any plays when the ball is snapped it doesn't matter one bit.

Harris may not have done everything well but he hit people. That was evident again in the spring game when he was the only backer to make a hard tackle and did it more than once.

If Seeley lines up as a starter come football season then the evaluation ability of this staff just took a nose dive. The other staff played him too much but even they weren't that clueless.

 

[D UP Clones]

We need Miller 3.0. Miller 1.0 didn't know where to be. Miller 2.0 found his places and made a ton of tackles.

P.S. Even though out of position in the West Virginia overtime, he made the play to save that game for us.

Anybody who thinks seeley is as good as miller doesn't need to post in this thread anymore because thats ridiculous. Miller had his bad games but he wasn't abused over and over like seeley is.

Ridiculous.

 

[CyFy]

Harvey hasn't done much yet for all the hype and Seeley makes zero plays. He can communicate all day and that's great but if u can't make any plays when the ball is snapped it doesn't matter one bit.

Harris may not have done everything well but he hit people. That was evident again in the spring game when he was the only backer to make a hard tackle and did it more than once.

If Seeley lines up as a starter come football season then the evaluation ability of this staff just took a nose dive. The other staff played him too much but even they weren't that clueless.

Hitting hard is good but the biggest part is being in the right place. That is where he had issues. Also nobody said he wasn't going to play. I think I will give the coaches that work with them everyday the benefit of the doubt

 

[Luth4Cy]

Anybody who thinks seeley is as good as miller doesn't need to post in this thread anymore because thats ridiculous. Miller had his bad games but he wasn't abused over and over like seeley is.

Ridiculous.

I remember Miller against UNI in 2013. He was awful and had they not pulled him for Luke Knott that game wouldn't have even been close. Later in the year when Knott got injured Miller was better but by no means good. The next season he was fairly solid once they moved him to the MIKE linebacker spot where he probably should have been all along. With that said I agree that Seeley has not looked like a Big 12 player yet but if he has had a good spring I would say it's at least possible he'll step up next year and look like a quality Big 12 player. Not to mention there are no doubt more talented athletes at linebacker than Seeley but his experience might help him get on the field this fall.

 

[nickcyv]

Anybody who thinks seeley is as good as miller doesn't need to post in this thread anymore because thats ridiculous. Miller had his bad games but he wasn't abused over and over like seeley is.

Ridiculous.

Miller had his bad games? He had some of the worst starts I've ever seen in big 12 football. Truly mentally scarring stuff.

Not building Seeley up at all but Miller had what a handful of average football games in 4 years? Let's tap the breaks a bit.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Miller had his bad games? He had some of the worst starts I've ever seen in big 12 football. Truly mentally scarring stuff.

Not building Seeley up at all but Miller had what a handful of average football games in 4 years? Let's tap the breaks a bit.

Pretty sure Miller was leading the league in tackles his senior year before he was injured.

 

[Beyerball]

Seeley played in 11 games and made two tackles as a freshman. Last season he appeared in all 12 games, starting the final five at the inside, or “Mike” linebacker position. He made 52 total tackles and one for a loss. In his five starts he made 45 tackles, including 13 (nine solo) against Kansas, nine against Oklahoma and nine against TCU, while also forcing a fumble against the Horned Frogs.

Seeley is also an Academic a All Conf kid..He's not the most athletic and the kid has only really played LB half a year..take some time...let's not be so quick to judge to say he's the worst LB we've had..I've seen a lot worse come thru that tunnel that never even saw the field.

 

[CyInDFW]

Seeley played in 11 games and made two tackles as a freshman. Last season he appeared in all 12 games, starting the final five at the inside, or “Mike” linebacker position. He made 52 total tackles and one for a loss. In his five starts he made 45 tackles, including 13 (nine solo) against Kansas, nine against Oklahoma and nine against TCU, while also forcing a fumble against the Horned Frogs.

Seeley is also an Academic a All Conf kid..He's not the most athletic and the kid has only really played LB half a year..take some time...let's not be so quick to judge to say he's the worst LB we've had..I've seen a lot worse come thru that tunnel that never even saw the field.

I'd say nine tackles per game in those five starts shows he's not the worst LB to come through Iowa State, and that some people need to re-evaluate how they evaluate a player.

I agree, he's not the most athletic guy on the field, but he's in the right place when he's supposed to be, more times than not. I'll take someone that sticks to his assignment and plays smart over someone that hits hard every day. If I can have someone that plays smart and hits hard even better (Cotton-Moya).