If you were actually interested in any kind of discourse, you would have addressed the clinical issues I brought, instead of completely ignoring them in order to knock down your strawman.
The ESPY's
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If you were actually interested in any kind of discourse, you would have addressed the clinical issues I brought, instead of completely ignoring them in order to knock down your strawman.
Why would I address the clinical issues when that had nothing to do with your point that I was addressing about it being courageous or not, because, after all, courage is what the award is about. I'm not going to humor you trying to change the subject.
No one is going to argue that what Bruce has gone through didn't take metaphorical balls. It can't possibly be an easy situation, but in the same vein it's an award list of people that have stared down cancer, war, the Civil Rights Movement, murder and the ******* Apartheid. Do we really have to act like a person becoming comfortable with who they feel they truly are is on par with that? I feel that it cheapens what is otherwise the one award of the ESPY's that has any legitimacy.
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That's the problem, though. It doesn't have any legitimacy. It never did. It's decided by a group of people who want the best exposure, the best ratings, etc. There's no formal candidacy. No runner up. No voting. It's all about marketing and PR. Always has been. It's a sports award show, for crying out loud. A 3 hour long back patting session for a cable network. Any legitimacy it has is what you give it. It certainly doesn't have any of its own.
I'm not changing the argument. I'm addressing your exact words. Part of your definition of courage above was that what Jenner did
I showed you an article that says, in many cases, research indicates that what Jenner did doesn't help people, but rather puts them through an unnecessary, horrible, mutilating surgery that does them no good in the long term. In fact, we have no idea whether in the long term this is even going to help whatever issues Jenner was facing. Why are we celebrating this?
And why does Jenner get this award, and not one of the thousands of other people who have had this surgery over the years?
I'm well aware. For the record, in my mind I do give it legitimacy due to the recipients - I thought that was fairly clear.
I feel like if it was only about ratings, then the Ed Thomas family wouldn't have been chosen a few years ago. They could've gotten someone much bigger. This year though, yes I agree.
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Just because they call out a famous person's name, play a video of old clips, and get the room all teary eyed doesn't mean it has any legitimacy. If the Home Shopping Network decided to drum up ratings by honoring Glenn Campbell for bravery in the face of alzheimer's, it would be the same thing. He might be a great guy, and a hero in his own right, but having some cable network give him a random award doesn't strengthen or diminish his status.
You destroyed me almost as well as the LGBT war machine is destroying America and our children's futures
(For the record... there aren't enough
I feel much more confident in my opinions knowing that BodeClone is on the opposite side.
If you want a sex change, go ahead; I do feel sorry for you knowing that you were born a different gender than you believe you are. And I do think there is some courage in openly doing so when people like BodeClone will scream about you being "F'D UP."
I do think it's strange that ESPN is giving her this award though. But I'm not going to lose sleep over it. There are a lot of courageous people out there. Many would be extremely deserving of a courage award.
I must have missed that declaration.
I mean it's a PR driven awards show. ESPN knew people would watch, and they were right.
This really isn't anything to get worked up about. It doesn't diminish the courage of others. And it does take a measure of courage to try and become the face of something like this.
And if it helps someone feel better about themselves or prevents someone from hurting themselves, the publicity stunt is probably worth it.
congratulations, you agree with the hateful **** Bode is spewing. I'd be really proud of that. It's sad to see someone of my generation with so much hate in them still.
