Great original question on KJ future, too bad you're the one who asked it.
look at this guy's post history. Now quit posting and go away.
Decision Time on Jackson
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look at this guy's post history. Now quit posting and go away.
JP isn't going to go hire a new wrestling coach folks. It's just not going to happen. JP doesn't really care that much about wrestling, and to be honest, he shouldn't in today's day and age.
It's sad because of our great wrestling tradition, but the fact remains, it doesn't pay any bills. The other sad part is... this is easily the sport where we could most likely win a National Championship in IMO. But as an AD, it doesn't make any sense to make the investment needed in this program to get it there.
But we have an awesome wrestling tradition, and we live in one of the best states in the country for producing great wrestlers. It's like football in Texas basically. Problem is, it doesn't create any revenue, and that is the bottom line.
JP has to put most of his dollars into the football program, plain and simple. That is the cash cow. Without football, there would be no other sports at Iowa State most likely. If you let your football program die, your athletic department dies. And unfortunately, our football program is obviously NOT doing well at all. That is why Rhoads has to be on a major hot seat this year. If no improvement is seen, JP has to send him packing. He cannot risk losing his entire athletic department because he's too loyal to Paul Rhoads.
It's sad because of our great wrestling tradition, but the fact remains, it doesn't pay any bills. The other sad part is... this is easily the sport where we could most likely win a National Championship in IMO. But as an AD, it doesn't make any sense to make the investment needed in this program to get it there.
But we have an awesome wrestling tradition, and we live in one of the best states in the country for producing great wrestlers. It's like football in Texas basically. Problem is, it doesn't create any revenue, and that is the bottom line.
JP has to put most of his dollars into the football program, plain and simple. That is the cash cow. Without football, there would be no other sports at Iowa State most likely. If you let your football program die, your athletic department dies. And unfortunately, our football program is obviously NOT doing well at all. That is why Rhoads has to be on a major hot seat this year. If no improvement is seen, JP has to send him packing. He cannot risk losing his entire athletic department because he's too loyal to Paul Rhoads.
You're right. That's obviously why JP has really pushed to make sure Track and Field and X-Country are successful. They make revenue.
The most obvious and telling thing is how UNI is given a huge pass on injuries by this poster while he hammers home any negative results for ISU while ignoring any injuries that might have played a part. He's just a concern troll who has had an axe to grind with Jackson ever since he was hired. The only reason any actual ISU wrestling fans reply to his posts is because otherwise non-fans might take him seriously. I know I have him on ignore and only see his posts when people quote them. And only respond if somebody who doesn't realize he's just a pathetic concern troll takes him at face value.
As to why nobody wants to discuss his question? Because, like I said, he's just a concern troll. He isn't interested in the discussion. He's "just asking questions" in order to have a venue to bash Jackson. I dunno if Jackson slept with his girlfriend back in college. Or if Jackson got hired over his buddy. Or what. But it has been consistent for five years now.
Like I said, nobody would mind much if a Paulsen was introduced as our head coach next week. And there wouldn't be an outcry if they found an external candidate and Jackson was replaced as head coach. Jackson isn't a generational coach who couldn't be improved on. What is bothersome is that the whole discussion, as framed by a pathetic non ISU wrestling fan, is predicated on the idea that Jackson is a terrible coach who is destroying the program. Which is simply not the case.
As to why nobody wants to discuss his question? Because, like I said, he's just a concern troll. He isn't interested in the discussion. He's "just asking questions" in order to have a venue to bash Jackson. I dunno if Jackson slept with his girlfriend back in college. Or if Jackson got hired over his buddy. Or what. But it has been consistent for five years now.
Like I said, nobody would mind much if a Paulsen was introduced as our head coach next week. And there wouldn't be an outcry if they found an external candidate and Jackson was replaced as head coach. Jackson isn't a generational coach who couldn't be improved on. What is bothersome is that the whole discussion, as framed by a pathetic non ISU wrestling fan, is predicated on the idea that Jackson is a terrible coach who is destroying the program. Which is simply not the case.
Another example from this very thread:
Cabell ended up not AAing because he got unlucky and drew 3 seed Telford in the R12 and lost handily. This is okay and understandable. UNI is on the rise, you see.
Moreno ended up not AAing because after bouncing back with three pins after getting upset he drew 3 seed Isaac Jordan in the R12 and fell in overtime. This is embarrassing and shows how Kevin Jackson is the worst person in the world. Iowa State might as well cancel the program.
See the difference?
Cabell ended up not AAing because he got unlucky and drew 3 seed Telford in the R12 and lost handily. This is okay and understandable. UNI is on the rise, you see.
Moreno ended up not AAing because after bouncing back with three pins after getting upset he drew 3 seed Isaac Jordan in the R12 and fell in overtime. This is embarrassing and shows how Kevin Jackson is the worst person in the world. Iowa State might as well cancel the program.
See the difference?
I'd be surprised if Jackson's contract is not extended two or more years. It sounds like the Paulsons are a plus for the program too. Someday one of them could succeed Jackson.
As of right now, he just produced a Natioal champ not tied to Sanderson. He's been coming up with some guys who are exacting to watch recently. Kyven is just what this program needed. Good student involved in more than just wrestling. One thing Pollard should do is get this kid a job in his office when he graduates.
As of right now, he just produced a Natioal champ not tied to Sanderson. He's been coming up with some guys who are exacting to watch recently. Kyven is just what this program needed. Good student involved in more than just wrestling. One thing Pollard should do is get this kid a job in his office when he graduates.
It also does not make any sense to push Track and Field or X-Country, but it is JP's favorite sport, so therefore he supports it.
It doesn't make it right, but it's just the way it is. JP is a runner. His son is a great runner. His daughters run. It's what he loves. So I guess one of the perks of being an AD, is that you can put some money into the sport that you've always had a passion for.
As I said, it doesn't make it right or financially smart, but it's one of the fringe benefits of being the guy in charge I guess.
Ok, then what would you do if you were the AD? Pour a lot of money into the wrestling program to see if you can win a national championship?
I'm sure JP would love to pour a lot of money into every sport and try to win a national championship, but it just isn't feasible. Tough decisions have to be made. So where would you put the money?
I know it hurts the wrestling fans feelings and all, but JP would not be doing his job by dumping a bunch of money into a sport that doesn't create revenue.
And yes, I realize he's putting some money into the Track program, but it's not much, and probably still a lot less than goes into the wrestling program.
Without football, there would be no wrestling. Just remember that.
i guess you don't appreciate when we are ranked high in the Learfield Director's Cup or the Capitol One cup? I am and although i dont give a **** about cross country it helps to provide a well rounded athletic experience for our students and is a source of pride for the school and alumni. How many students major in underwater basket weaving? Does mewn we shouldnt offer it and only ro engineering fields and business?
There is value in every sport, not just money.
There is value in every sport, not just money.
I wanted to take some time and post here about KJ... Understand I do not dislike KJ. I certainly agree that he is doing a "pretty good" job and has not done anything to deserve getting fired. Unless of course you go by standards that other sports have set forth.... I think the quick to fire syndrome is not a great way to treat people.
With that said.... I must tell you and I have said this before. The kids on this team do not LOVE KJ!!! It is very much a split room. I am trying not to be a creep here but the Kids DO love the Assistants but "MOST" kids want KJ to leave.
Coach Jackson is a very negative motivator and has a hard time with kids not being able to compete at the level that he did. KJ was a STUD!!! And college wrestling is not easy... Hell look at this years tournament and break down the kids that you would have expected to AA... KJ has a real hard time with kids that do not improve quickly.
If they wrestled the NCAA's again next week with the same exact same brackets "nearly" every weight would be different... Wrestling is a Tough sport and it does not care who you are... SO as bad as we feel for our under-acheiving Cyclone the other programs feel the same way.
Just one wrestling insider that knows the truth....
With that said.... I must tell you and I have said this before. The kids on this team do not LOVE KJ!!! It is very much a split room. I am trying not to be a creep here but the Kids DO love the Assistants but "MOST" kids want KJ to leave.
Coach Jackson is a very negative motivator and has a hard time with kids not being able to compete at the level that he did. KJ was a STUD!!! And college wrestling is not easy... Hell look at this years tournament and break down the kids that you would have expected to AA... KJ has a real hard time with kids that do not improve quickly.
If they wrestled the NCAA's again next week with the same exact same brackets "nearly" every weight would be different... Wrestling is a Tough sport and it does not care who you are... SO as bad as we feel for our under-acheiving Cyclone the other programs feel the same way.
Just one wrestling insider that knows the truth....
I don't get all this talk that JP only cares about the revenue sports. He's been good for the non-revenues and not just the track program--volleyball and gymnastics come to mind. I truly believe he cares.
The mark is being completely missed when it comes to financial support. We don't need a push for more financial support in wrestling. It is ALREADY being made. We have one of the highest paid coaching staffs in the country and recently invested in our facilities. We do not need to make further investment in the program. That's a red herring in this discussion.
I don't believe I have singled our Moreno but might be wrong. I even said after his first match I still thought he would be on the podium. But since we are playing, Cabell is a junior that was never a high school champion, wasn't a rated recruit, has never been an AA and was the 7 seed; he lost to the the 3rd and 5th place finishers who have 7 AA finishes between them. Moreno is a senior, was highly recruited, was the 2 seed and 2-time AA who lost to a guy who was barely .500 and to the 7th place finisher. Who had a better showing?
When using UNI as your measuring stick ISU should win 9 times out of 10. ISU is a bigger school with more tradition, better financial support, better facilities, etc. ISU should be attracting better athletes and have more depth year in and year out. ISU is a "have" in wrestling. UNI is a "have not." They have zero tradition in D-1 wrestling. ISU shouldn't be judged based on UNI yet for some reason you keep going back to it. ISU is much closer to an Iowa than a UNI.
I think we should move on from KJ because this program is underachieving under his watch. Not because of one bad match or performance. It is because the program's performance over a long period of time.
But if you want to talk about UNI--they ARE on the rise. The fans are incredibly motivated/excited and their performance and depth has improved. This was a rebuilding year and they were hit hard by injuries on top of it. They shouldn't be at ISU's level, ever. When they are, it's a sign things aren't right in Ames. I would love to find a coach who could motivate the fan base as much as Schwab has at UNI. Note that I didn't list him as a possible replacement for KJ--I don't think he's shown enough in terms of results quite yet.
I have heard some of these things before. I hope it is not true. But it is one of the reasons I listed Travis as a possible replacement.
Please just go away, you accomplished what you wanted. Your hawks didn't win, your panthers were embarrassed so you wanted to spoil a positive for ISU with the only National Champ from the state.
