If Rhoads doesn't win next year (see: bowl game or at least competitive more often than not) he'll be gone. A 3-9 season next year will be a death sentence for an already pathetic program.
Pollard backs Rhoads
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100% disagree. If CPR has another 2 or 3 win season next year, he will be gone. JP wont have a choice with the amount of people (donors) that will be in his ear. CPR probably needs to get back to a bowl game IMO, as 5 wins will mean he probably won 4 of his first 5, and lost 6 of his last 7.
It doesn't really matter if tickets are sold next year or not. Rhoads will be here based on wins and losses. If no one buys tickets next year and he wins 7 games, he will still be here. If everyone buys them and he wins 2 games, he won't be. In the grand scheme of things, when losing is the problem, ticket sales do not matter. For one, when this decision is made (now) he doesn't have ticket info. If we get to the ticket sales part of the year and it doesn't go well, he isn't making a decision then anyway.
LOL. And if he left for somewhere else at that point, everyone would have been up in arms.
Unfortunately, I think you may be right. Even if we flop again in 2015, I don't think JP will do what needs to be done and the program will go further into the abyss.
Yeah, cause you are the master of knowledge how our athletic department works.
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If that's true, it will kill any and all progress JP has made over the past 10 years. No one in ANY program should survive 3 straight god awful seasons.
Ok. If all the pr/jp haters will stop attacking those of us who aren't in total meltdown mode, then we have a deal. (Although it's a bit odd that you think people are trying to "guilt" others into supporting the program, just by stating their opinions that are at variance with yours or others.)
I just don't get it. It's one thing to offer support for him, and to be honest I'm not surprised he's giving him his support. But save me the "we're climbing a mountain" and the "we are closer to it than we are further away" crap. If we are climbing a mountain we haven't even left base camp yet. We've won 5 games in 2 years. We aren't closer to anything other than the bottom of the Big 12.
You have to know your audience a little bit, and know that this optimistic, we-are-on-the-verge-of-something-big crap isn't going to sell right now.
You have to know your audience a little bit, and know that this optimistic, we-are-on-the-verge-of-something-big crap isn't going to sell right now.
Interesting post. I'm not sure I agree with much of it, but then again I could be completely underestimating the support ISU fans have for Pollard.
To me, an outsider, it would appear that Pollard has locked his horse up to the CPR wagon. Which makes me skeptical regarding your comment about Pollard being at ISU for another decade. If Rhoads is unable to pump life back into the football program then how long do you think he lasts? Based upon your post it seems as if you believe he'll be in Ames for at least another 2-3 years. If he doesn't revive things then that would mean he and JP are both responsible for at least 5-6 years worth of Cyclone football misery (depending on the results and how long it takes for him to be fired). At that point, if I were an ISU fan, I'd say both JP and CPR need to be shown the door. JP should understand that's the risk he has taken.
There is no way Leath would ever solely judge JP on the state of the football program. JP has done so much for the AD, he will be here as long as he wants to be here. Now, Leath might demand that CPR be fired against JP's will, but I would imagine JP would fire him if told he had to do so.
3 things:
* Did someone really compare a "good fan" to a battered wife? That's appalling.
* Why don't the moving GIFs work on CF for me anymore? I did nothing and they stopped animating on IE, though they continue to work on my tablet.
And back on topic:
* I really don't know where I land on this yet. I like Rhoads, and I still think he can turn it around. However, 6 years is long enough. I think. Honestly, I've become apathetic, and that's probably worse for the program than a "fire him" or "retain him" fan.
* Did someone really compare a "good fan" to a battered wife? That's appalling.
* Why don't the moving GIFs work on CF for me anymore? I did nothing and they stopped animating on IE, though they continue to work on my tablet.
And back on topic:
* I really don't know where I land on this yet. I like Rhoads, and I still think he can turn it around. However, 6 years is long enough. I think. Honestly, I've become apathetic, and that's probably worse for the program than a "fire him" or "retain him" fan.
Did you give up on the BB season because they lost to a team that is not very good in Maryland? Or do you just like ******** about FB?
I cant control the crazies, if you look at my post history I've been on radio silent this year. When things are this bad and the negativity gets overwhelming I just stay away.
I think Jamie is a fantastic AD, he has built a foundation at ISU. Facilities are the best they have ever been etc. The budget that he has to work with limits his ability to operate from a contract standpoint. ISU cant pay FB head coach and MBB head coach, WR head coach and WBB head coach top dollar or even really competitive rates without killing the other programs or facilities plans, we just cant. As a counter JP offers Loooooooong term deals, which if they work are great, if not then here we are.
I want CPR to win, I really do. Not only because he coaches ISU but because he seems like a legit good guy and he really does care about his players and coaches etc.
Your comment about "thanks to fans like you" just rubbed me the wrong way. I've been a Cyclone fan for a long time, and I have been a donor for as long as I have been able. I've been there to support this team and I have done what JP and CPR have asked. I've bought tickets, made donations, traveled to bowl games and I've been in my seat every single home game since CPR has been here, except one. That was the WVU game this past weekend. I chose to save myself the grief and disappointment. I haven't enjoyed a football game at Jack Trice since the Baylor game three seasons ago. That was the last game Jake Knott played and honestly it was the last time it felt like this team had any guts.
If you are still 100% on board with JP and CPR then good for you. I wont bash you for it, hell I applaud your resiliency. Quite honestly I don't know how you do it.
Personally it isn't worth it anymore for me to spend the money and the time supporting this program.
My apathy has bled into all things Cyclone
I'm not even fired up for basketball. The season has been that bad.
I'm not even fired up for basketball. The season has been that bad.
I agree that he has done a lot for the AD at this point. However, if the football program continues to falter then it won't be long before that is noticed on the bottom line ($$$$). Fortunately for Pollard the Hoiberg hire has created a tremendous amount of interest in basketball so I could definitely see that saving his job.
However, football at a Power 5 school is a HUGE part of the success of any Athletic Director. As it should be. It either brings in the most money or it creates a source of embarrassment for the school. A couple years ago CPR had things moving in the right direction. Iowa State was starting to shed its reputation for being one of the worst programs in college football. Now after the past two years the program is circling the drain again.
I'm not saying Pollard's future will be decided by Rhoads ability to resurrect the football program. I don't know if it will or not. I do know that he made the hire and ultimately it is my opinion that he should be held responsible for it. When you make a hire like that and it ends up resulting in possibly a decade worth of mostly poor football that is your fault. Would you want that same guy to make the next hire? I wouldn't.
