Brady Hoke is toast

If Charlie Strong is on the hot seat in a couple years I call dibs on starting the "Charlie Strong is Texas toast" thread.
 
Nope, I included them in his losing record before getting to Michigan. In fact, he had only 2 seasons above .500 at Ball State. He hired junk a moron OC and he hired a great DC and his team at Michigan has sucked for at least 2 years. He has no idea how to evolve his football philosophy and is a coach made for The MAC or somewhere else where his philosophy fits. It's not in a BCS conference.
Uh, yeah, his last two: 7-5 and then 12-1. It's called "rebuilding a program." That's kinda what happens when you come to a school that hadn't had a winning season since 1996. His 2008 team was ranked as high as #12 in the country. This is Ball State we're talking about.
Then at San Diego State, he rescued them from the previous mess and chaos of Chuck Long. Remember that TCU team that ended 2010 undefeated and ranked #2? Their closest game during the regular season was a 40-35 win in Fort Worth over - you guessed it - San Diego State.
I would say Brady Hoke "evolved his football philosophy" (whatever that means) quite well during his previous HC stops.
 
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Uh, yeah, his last two: 7-5 and then 12-1. It's called "rebuilding a program." That's kinda what happens when you come to a school that hadn't had a winning season since 1996. His 2008 team was ranked as high as #12 in the country. This is Ball State we're talking about.
Then at San Diego State, he rescued them from the previous mess and chaos of Chuck Long. Remember that TCU team that ended 2010 undefeated and ranked #2? Their closest game during the regular season was a 40-35 win in Fort Worth over - you guessed it - San Diego State.
I would say Brady Hoke "evolved his football philosophy" (whatever that means) quite well during his previous HC stops.

Well congrats to him on his one great season in the MAC and impressive loss at SDSU. Clearly he should be the head coach at Michigan. Let's go another year and see how deep he can bury this thing. I can assure you it won't get better. Honestly, watching Michigan I don't know how he had the small amount of success he did. That team, with defense barely being an exception is just awfully coached. From toughness that he talks about all of the time to game management, it's awful. Real programs hire Brian Kelly or Kevin Sumlin or Charlie Strong. Michigan hired Hoke who had a resume that ISU should be looking at.
 
"Pro-style offense." The dumbest term in football currently. A lot of pro teams are running out of the shotgun and incorporation concepts the college guys incorporated 10 years ago. You run an offense that works. If your goal is to run the ball up the middle all day every day no matter if it works or not, you get Michigan of last year. If you goal is to do things that directly go against your strengths, such as run concepts that require very solid consistent blocking but you don't have that, you will not win. In short, if you have Devin Gardner and Denard Robinson you better base an offense around their ability to run.



Nope, I included them in his losing record before getting to Michigan. In fact, he had only 2 seasons above .500 at Ball State. He hired junk a moron OC and he hired a great DC and his team at Michigan has sucked for at least 2 years. He has no idea how to evolve his football philosophy and is a coach made for The MAC or somewhere else where his philosophy fits. It's not in a BCS conference.

Sorry to laugh at you Tre, but we both agree that Michigan is not running an offense that matches the personnel on the roster. We both agree that Hoke has waffled his opportunity. We both agree that a change needs to be made. I also think we both agree that Michigan is at the lowest point probably in the last 60 years. We both agree that RR had some success and that he had some exciting players offensively.

Here is where we disagree:
1. You believe RR was a dead man walking as far as not being a "Michigan Man". You evidence that by the purse strings being loosened for Hoke to grab quality assistants. I say winning cures all, the defense sucked consistently, and the purse strings were opened to stop the hemmoraging. And if RR couldn't find a decent DC that is on him. I suppose no good ones were available at the pay available. What. The. ****. Ever.

Alabama does not run the spread. And prior to RR, neither did Michigan. There is nothing "archaic" about not running the spread as you ignorantly suggest.

And RR's teams were dominated for the same reasons Hokes are now: not the right personnel to run the scheme and **** poor coaching. As I said before, if RR had even an average defense he'd still be the HC at Michigan.
 
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Well congrats to him on his one great season in the MAC and impressive loss at SDSU. Clearly he should be the head coach at Michigan. Let's go another year and see how deep he can bury this thing. I can assure you it won't get better. Honestly, watching Michigan I don't know how he had the small amount of success he did. That team, with defense barely being an exception is just awfully coached. From toughness that he talks about all of the time to game management, it's awful. Real programs hire Brian Kelly or Kevin Sumlin or Charlie Strong. Michigan hired Hoke who had a resume that ISU should be looking at.

Agree 100%. Fits perfectly with the idea that Hoke is a LT sitting in a general's chair.

Michigan needs to swing for the fences on the next hire. Harbaugh or bust. Hey, what kind of offense did he run at Stanford?
 
Agree 100%. Fits perfectly with the idea that Hoke is a LT sitting in a general's chair.

Michigan needs to swing for the fences on the next hire. Harbaugh or bust. Hey, what kind of offense did he run at Stanford? 

Just saw this. Looks like Brandon will probably be fired today.

Harbaugh ran a less modern offense than some but what I liked about what he did is that he wasn't afraid to use Luck's legs. They did run some read option because Luck could move. You saw that with CK in SF too. He's going to do what his guys can do best. When you have Luck, that's pretty much anything and I would compare Luck and Gardner to each other and I honestly believe Gardner had the same potential coming out of high school and maybe even better potential as a COLLEGE QB because he's a great athlete. Harbaugh would have turned Gardner into a Heisman contender. Hoke turned him into a pretty bad QB and we have enough data points to suggest that Borges killed QBs. In his recent career, outside of Denard Robinson, Borges didn't have a legitimate starting QB who was a senior. They all regressed.

I think the list goes:

Harbaugh
Mullen

Les Miles and a bunch of other guys like Tom Herman