Bubu Thread

[RayShimley]

Don't know if this was posted, just saw this on KCCI:

The state Supreme Court, in a news release sent Friday, announced it will not hear the case.

Another embarrassment for the University and BoR, hurray!

 

[moforisu]

Re: Bubu back again

Now let's face that this has set a precident. Fred has no say who is on the team, the athlete runs the program now as it seems.

Wonder how this plays out. Does Fred have to play him or is that the next law suit?

 

[RayShimley]

Re: Bubu back again

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...gible-to-play-at-Iowa-State-for-now?Frontpage

 

[temperflare]

ehhh.... yeah didn't think of that.



true. Fred is a player's coach but also wise enough not to start a pi**ing match with his bosses even though he holds 100% of the power and everyone knows it.

Honestly, what are they doing to do? Fire him? Reprimand him? I can easily see The Mayor putting him in the game with zero implications in regards to the politics of the situation.

 

[Die4Cy]

If the ISU administration has the sense to let this go now that they must, I hope anyone on campus particularly animated by this whole deal has enough sense to let it go and not perpetuate it further.

Probably asking a lot there.

 

[RayShimley]

Looks like the ISC gave the BOR's motion about as much thought as the BOR gave to Bubu's appeal:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...gible-to-play-at-Iowa-State-for-now?Frontpage

 

[Dryburn]

If The Mayor decides to play him, the moment Bubu steps on the court Hilton will go absolutely NUTS! The idea of The Mayor "sticking it to the man" (in this case Leath) from a player/student perspective would also be a great motivational factor for the team I think.

This is another aspect of this I have been wondering about, but I am not going to start a new thread about it, although it might be worthy of one.

If Fred does put Bubu in a game at home, what will be the reaction of the crowd? There have to be some that don't want to see him play, based on JP's statement, but is that the majority?

Also, if Fred plays him in an away game, how will the opposing team's fans react? Do they know about the story, or are they clueless?

If I was Fred, and I wanted to put him in a game, I think I would do it at an away game first. That might temper the eventual reaction at Hilton a bit.

 

[Clark]

What precedent. The reason it is in the court is because of Iowa Code and ISU policy. Otherwise it wouldn't be. Distict court is part of the grievance policy for student dicipline. If you don't want it to go to court. 1.Change your policy 2. Make kicking someone off the team distinct from CoC violatuons. 3. Just kick some off the team outside of formal dicipline. 4. Don't send to BoR (then Iowa judicial review code doesn't kick in).

The idea that this is some big legal principle is asinine. The executive branch and the legislative branch independently granted the court's judicial review over student dicipline at ISU (the legislature indirectly). If they don't want the court's involved they should change their process. The idea that this was about whether sports is a right is a privilage was a crazy premise and a huge smokescreen from the get go.

When have you ever heard of a player successfully suing to get placed back on the team? That's pretty much the very definition of precedent isn't it?

Also, is it a crazy premise?

 

[RayShimley]

This is another aspect of this I have been wondering about, but I am not going to start a new thread about it, although it might be worthy of one.

If Fred does put Bubu in a game at home, what will be the reaction of the crowd? There have to be some that don't want to see him play, based on JP's statement, but is that the majority?

Also, if Fred plays him in an away game, how will the opposing team's fans react? Do they know about the story, or are they clueless?

If I was Fred, and I wanted to put him in a game, I think I would do it at an away game first. That might temper the eventual reaction at Hilton a bit.

He was loudly cheered when he returned last year, nothing in terms of the actual case has changed since then.

 

[NATEizKING]

Re: Bubu back again

Now let's face that this has set a precident. Fred has no say who is on the team, the athlete runs the program now as it seems.

Wonder how this plays out. Does Fred have to play him or is that the next law suit?

Fred wanted him back clearly

 

[isuno1fan]

Re: Bubu back again

I hope he sees minutes tomorrow.

 

[WhatchaGonnaDo]

Re: Bubu back again

Appreciate the new thread because I stopped reading that **** show of a massive thread

 

[alarson]

When have you ever heard of a player successfully suing to get placed back on the team? That's pretty much the very definition of precedent isn't it?

Also, is it a crazy premise?

About as often as you hear of a player somehow getting kicked off a team even after their accuser was found to be completely not credible.

 

[Prone2Clone]

Re: Bubu back again

I hope he sees minutes tomorrow.

Me, too, because that'd probably mean we're up 20 with under 4 to play.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Well done, Supremes.

 

[casey1973]

Re: Bubu back again

Now let's face that this has set a precident. Fred has no say who is on the team, the athlete runs the program now as it seems.

Wonder how this plays out. Does Fred have to play him or is that the next law suit?

What it really means is maybe, just maybe the little guy wins once in awhile.

 

[alarson]

Re: Bubu back again

Now let's face that this has set a precident. Fred has no say who is on the team, the athlete runs the program now as it seems.

Wonder how this plays out. Does Fred have to play him or is that the next law suit?

No, Fred can always kick him off. Could still do that today if he wanted.

What is at issue here is ISU's process of handling code of conduct violations, which overruled the coach and the ALJ, and which looks like it was completely incompetently handled. If anything, this has an effect not just on athletes but on all students. All students need to be treated fairly if they are accused of such a violation.

 

[Clark]

About as often as you hear of a player somehow getting kicked off a team even after their accuser was found to be completely not credible.

obviously she wasn't completely not credible

 

[IAStubborn]

When have you ever heard of a player successfully suing to get placed back on the team? That's pretty much the very definition of precedent isn't it?

Also, is it a crazy premise?

He isn't suing to.get back on the team he is appealing student dicipline using the process outlines by Iowa State for CoC. One of his punishments was being on the team. Because it is being appealed he requested a stay as he did with the BoR. Precedent isn't created when you are following policy!

 

[IcSyU]

Re: Bubu back again

Now let's face that this has set a precident. Fred has no say who is on the team, the athlete runs the program now as it seems.

Wonder how this plays out. Does Fred have to play him or is that the next law suit?

It sets the precedent that the University has to live by the code of conduct it puts together?