Maybe you're right. I guess I'll disagree, but you could be right. Just considering how much people love college football I would think that Rutgers could at least deliver a small fraction of their own gigantic market.
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Maybe you're right. I guess I'll disagree, but you could be right. Just considering how much people love college football I would think that Rutgers could at least deliver a small fraction of their own gigantic market.
Both UConn and Rutgers fit the ACC's academic and geographic profile. The ACC will not add commuter schools like USF, Louisville and Cincy.
The ACC adding Pitt and Rutgers helps ISU's chances with the B10 immensely if the B10 decides to go to 16.
That's a very big if...but I'm hoping the if turns to a when and ISU makes it in based on logic rather than the money grab we're seeing.
That's the thing you don't get - people don't love college football in the New York metro area. It's not that it's Rutgers, it's that it's not the Giants and Jets (and a few odd Bills and Eagles fans here or there).
Take it from someone who is from there - outside of one week in March where the Big East Tournament occupies Madison Square Garden, nobody in the New York area gives a crap about college sports.
I give them credit for being aggressive but why do you have to be at 16 to be stable? Does that mean the b10 and sec aren't stable? Jumping to 16 with questionable teams (from revenue standpoint, which is what this is all about) seems like a panic move. Like they are worried they will lose someone to b10 or sec. I don't think the raised buyout will scare of either if it was a team they really wanted.
If they went to 14 with Pitt and Cuse, I would think they are stable at 14. Just my thought.
I guess you would know better than me then. I've never been to the East coast. I feel like the argument you're making is that absolutely zero people watch Rutgers. That's a pretty strong claim.
No, the argument he's making is that not enough people give a **** about college sports in NYC to get a conference network onto the basic cable tier.
I already agreed with him on that. The argument I made is that even if you get a small percentage of a behemoth of a TV market to watch, then you make a good chunk of change based off of advertising revenues even if you're not getting subscriptions to the BTN.
He's saying Rutgers wouldn't even deliver any percentage of the NYC market.
Precisely. The BTN is already on the sports tiers in the NYC area, and the B1G already gets quite a few games aired on ABC and ESPN there as well. If Rutgers can't get the BTN onto the basic tier (which they won't), then they offer the B1G absolutely nothing.
I stand by my point that if Rutgers actually gave the B1G the NYC market, they would have been added to the conference last year and not Nebraska.
I can already tell we're going to agree to disagree on this one. See my above response to you... Have a good night fellas.
Let uconn and rutgers go to acc. We swoop in and take Louisville and Cincy (not thrilled about that one but we are getting desperate) and one other... BYU? South Florida? TCU?
Get back to 12, keep AQ status, keep fox contract, collect the buyout penalties, and hope like hell Rhoads and Hoiberg win!
Get back to 12, keep AQ status, keep fox contract, collect the buyout penalties, and hope like hell Rhoads and Hoiberg win!
Notre Dame is likely the only team that could make the NYC market have the BTN on basic cable. And from all talk ND has no interest in BT
If its true Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, and UConn are joining the ACC, ISU has a great shot at the Big 10. ISU just has to be packaged right as #13-16, IF the Big 10 wants to expand.
And if the ACC, PAC, and SEC are at 16 teams, the Big 10 will expand. Delany already said as much in 2010.
And if the ACC, PAC, and SEC are at 16 teams, the Big 10 will expand. Delany already said as much in 2010.
Our only hope of a Big 10 invite is that they are at 15 and there is nobody reasonable left. So that might work. Unlikely. But there is a chance.
Id like TCU, Houston, L'ville get you to 12 if the Oklahoma schools stay if they leave I'd take BYU and Memphis but I think that Cincy gets the nod over memphis
There is something to what you are saying, and I think the situation for ISU is in many ways (that no one would consider good) the mirror image of Notre Dame's.
Anything for ISU depends a lot on where the other chips fall first, and the Big 10 isn't going to 16 IMO until ND is one of them (or completely off the table). So ISU is like a possible good option that is still left when/and if ND finally decides.
But it really sucks, since the ND factor only extends the misery and uncertainty of the situation for ISU as if it wasn't uncertain enough already. And in the end the chances of it happening could be like throwing a deck of cards in the air and having 2 consecutive of the same suit landing on top of each other.
It is also possible ISU could be a final piece to some other good scenario impossible to really plan in advance. But other such scenarios are limited and seem likely to diminish in the near future.
I'd prefer the Big XII stick together, but the Big Ten if it does not.
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Delaney only needed to hurry to secure high value prospects. There are only so many in play. Why hurry to add rutgers? If they wanted them, he is arrogant enough to think he could get them, even if they were in acc.
They would not have to scramble to get us. They could wait a decade and we would still be here, waiting for the invite. Hopefully by then, Hoiberg has a couple final four banners from the roof!
We really, really need to hope for the ACC to take UConn and Rutgers, as well as Pitt and Syracuse.
The Pac would certainly take four current Big 12 schools - OU, OSU, and probably UT and Tech. Maybe Kansas sneaks in there as one of them (which would be better for ISU), but I don't think that's likely.
The question then becomes.. what does the SEC do if the ACC truly locks down their teams? A&M, West Virginia, and Missouri seem like very good bets. Then who is #16? My best guess is Louisville (remember, assuming the ACC is unavailable), but I have seen that a group of SEC presidents will vote against adding a school in any current SEC state. But you have to imagine that would change if something like this was going down.
So that leaves the Big Ten. Assuming they won't be able to poach another AQ conference (read: the ACC), they are low on options to get to 16.
Obviously Notre Dame is one. They will see the writing on the wall and won't be able to stay independent. So, three spots are left. Then you have to take a look at the list of AAU schools that would be left and were in a BCS-conference. There are just two: Kansas and Iowa State.
We need to get them in the SEC. And we need to get Rutgers and Pittsburgh into a locked-down ACC.
(If this were to happen, USF, Cincinnati, Kansas State, and Baylor would end up being the current-AQ schools that would be left out of the Big 64 four-superconference picture. TCU would also be SOL.)
The Pac would certainly take four current Big 12 schools - OU, OSU, and probably UT and Tech. Maybe Kansas sneaks in there as one of them (which would be better for ISU), but I don't think that's likely.
The question then becomes.. what does the SEC do if the ACC truly locks down their teams? A&M, West Virginia, and Missouri seem like very good bets. Then who is #16? My best guess is Louisville (remember, assuming the ACC is unavailable), but I have seen that a group of SEC presidents will vote against adding a school in any current SEC state. But you have to imagine that would change if something like this was going down.
So that leaves the Big Ten. Assuming they won't be able to poach another AQ conference (read: the ACC), they are low on options to get to 16.
Obviously Notre Dame is one. They will see the writing on the wall and won't be able to stay independent. So, three spots are left. Then you have to take a look at the list of AAU schools that would be left and were in a BCS-conference. There are just two: Kansas and Iowa State.
We need to get them in the SEC. And we need to get Rutgers and Pittsburgh into a locked-down ACC.
(If this were to happen, USF, Cincinnati, Kansas State, and Baylor would end up being the current-AQ schools that would be left out of the Big 64 four-superconference picture. TCU would also be SOL.)
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