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MLB: Why is David Ortiz Sucking?

Why is David Ortiz Sucking

  • Lied About His Age

    Votes: 6 7.3%

  • Steroids/HGH

    Votes: 25 30.5%

  • Combination of 1 and 2

    Votes: 23 28.0%

  • Natural Decline

    Votes: 28 34.1%
  • Total voters
    82
  • Poll closed .
I watch most red sox games on MLBtv (that aren't blacked out by bogus MLB rules) and I've been to two games in person this year and I really don't think PEDs are the reason. He just looks lost at the plate, and I think its a combination of physical (knees and wrist injuries) as well as mental breakdown. His best years were in the prime of his carreer (Age 27 on) and its not much of a stretch to assume that a player carrying his extra weight would begin to decline earlier then a player of avg weight.

I wouldn't be shocked (how could anyone be at this point?) if he at one point used some kind of PED or lied about his age, but I don't think that alone could attribute to his struggles.
 
When I see David Ortiz, I think Mo Vaughn and that its a combination of issues with a large part due to having extra bulk leading to early decline. PED's could factor in but I don't think that's solely it.
 
The main reason is because he isn't seeing fastballs constantly anymore with Manny behind him. There isn't a manager in baseball that would rather throw to Ortiz than Manny.
 
DavClone said:
He is reverting back to the way he was with the Twins. He sucked then too.
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Define "sucked." He was a young player when he was with the Twins and I thought he showed a lot of potential. He was more of a doubles hitter back then, but he was good in the clutch and started ramping up the power just when he was traded.

He had 18 homers his second to last year at Minnesota and 20 his last year to go with 75 RBIs. His career batting average with the Twins was .266. That's not bad, certainly not hall of fame numbers. But you have to remember, he was still only 26 years old when the Twins traded him, if you believe the age he admits to.

I really hated to see him leave the Twins and I said that BEFORE he had the monster year for Boston the year after he was traded.
 
I think its a combination of Manny getting traded and old age. Of course, it could be steroids but I'm not going to assume that.
 
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Bill Simmons actually wrote a Boston column? Wow!

He's should not be a featured writer in ESPN until they signify his column is Boston-exclusive. The man sucks.
 
gocubs2118 said:
I love how everyone just assumes its steroids, thats ignorance at its best.
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It would be ignorant NOT to assume steroids, given the almost daily revelations about rampant steroid use in the majors. Seriously, it's naivete at its worst to not consider steroids as a possibility.
 
thatguy said:
The main reason is because he isn't seeing fastballs constantly anymore with Manny behind him. There isn't a manager in baseball that would rather throw to Ortiz than Manny.
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Um, I beg to differ.
 
Bipolarcy said:
It would be ignorant NOT to assume steroids, given the almost daily revelations about rampant steroid use in the majors. Seriously, it's naivete at its worst to not consider steroids as a possibility.
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Like I said in my previous post, I realize steroids is a possibility. However, I'm just not going to assume that everyone in the majors was doing it because thats just dumb.
 
Bipolarcy said:
Define "sucked." He was a young player when he was with the Twins and I thought he showed a lot of potential. He was more of a doubles hitter back then, but he was good in the clutch and started ramping up the power just when he was traded.

He had 18 homers his second to last year at Minnesota and 20 his last year to go with 75 RBIs. His career batting average with the Twins was .266. That's not bad, certainly not hall of fame numbers. But you have to remember, he was still only 26 years old when the Twins traded him, if you believe the age he admits to.

I really hated to see him leave the Twins and I said that BEFORE he had the monster year for Boston the year after he was traded.
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Not to mention he only played half a season for the Twins the year he hit 18 HR and averaged only 55 games/year over the 6 seasons in MN.
 
CrossCyed said:
Bill Simmons actually wrote a Boston column? Wow!

He's should not be a featured writer in ESPN until they signify his column is Boston-exclusive. The man sucks.
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He may be an all-things-Boston homer, but by rule his articles do not suck. If you can't get past his love for all-things-Boston to see that he's a very talented writer with a lot of knowledge to support that talent, then I feel sorry for you...
 
I was in a Bill Simmons mailbag. It was pretty much the highlight of that week for me.
 
thatguy said:
Really? You can't possibley be serious. You would rather throw to David Ortiz than probably the best right handed hitter of our generation? Really?:no:
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Yea, I'd rather let Ortiz try to beat me, because Manny, up there with Frank Thomas, is the best right handed hitter of our generation.
 
Bipolarcy said:
It would be ignorant NOT to assume steroids, given the almost daily revelations about rampant steroid use in the majors. Seriously, it's naivete at its worst to not consider steroids as a possibility.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that it's outside the realm of possibility that Ortiz did some kind of PED, that would be ignorant in this day and age. It is also pretty ignorant to assume that PEDs alone are attributing to Ortiz's decline, especially if you look at the stats of admitted steroid/HGH users who are still playing. Last year's slump might be chalked up to the wrist injury that cost him half a season, but he basically fell off a cliff this year.
 
CrossCyed said:
Yea, I'd rather let Ortiz try to beat me, because Manny, up there with Frank Thomas, is the best right handed hitter of our generation.
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I agree. Someone who consistently hits around .260-.270 with a lot of power versus someone who consistently hits around .300 who also has a lot of power (but is potentially less powerful than the first guy) - I'd take my chances with the first guy.
 
jdoggivjc said:
He may be an all-things-Boston homer, but by rule his articles do not suck. If you can't get past his love for all-things-Boston to see that he's a very talented writer with a lot of knowledge to support that talent, then I feel sorry for you...
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His articles suck for me because it's all-things-Boston. A really talented writer would be able to move away from that. Either that or brand him as a Boston writer.
 
jdoggivjc said:
I agree. Someone who consistently hits around .260-.270 with a lot of power versus someone who consistently hits around .300 who also has a lot of power (but is potentially less powerful than the first guy) - I'd take my chances with the first guy.
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Plus you can somewhat neutralize Ortiz with a lefty on the mound.
 
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