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Serious Question: How does ISUs football recruiting look so far?

1SEIACLONE said:
I wasn't relying on anything, just stating where they have them ranked. Please give us a rundown of other places that have us challenging for the conference title this year. I think 6 wins would be a heck of a season, but I do get the feeling some are expecting a lot more than that, implying we are Indiana without Cuban. We really do not know if Rogers has a great eye for talent or not, it's all hoping he does.

Let's watch this season, before we decide we have found the next great coach at ISU or something else.
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Who has implied more than 6 wins?
 
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Clonealways said:
First, I used to live for Althlon and Phil Steele, etc. Years ago. I now seek more current data, not yesterday's news.

Second, that information is wrong, but not without merit. Defensively, Hawk and Gilbert played at a Big 12 level and started games on the defensive line. Willich started when healthy, Goodwin and Barnes played at LB, Surges was a part-time starter at safety. Coffey started several games after the injuries to three corners. Magazines, taking the lazy route, look at who started game 1 and who is now back.

Additionally, there are a dozen +/- from a very good Wazzu defense. At all levels. Looking at the metrics, they have the makings of a defense that is good - B12 level good.

Special teams is potentially excellent. Konrardy looked to have a big leg in the spring and accurate. The punters looked to have talen, needing more consistency. The snapper was strong. We have 2 kick returners that have shown they can house it.

Offense is NOT at those levels. But Overby is experienced, fast, and hands looked immensely improved in the spring. Roskop played a lot as a blocker. The OL (along with DL) is where $ was invested and it showed. The lie moved together well at the spring thing (I refuse to gall it a game.) Has size and D1 experience and smaller school elite success.

WR has brought in speed. And success at lower levels. Good mix of styles and lots of bodies to help on special teams.

QB looks good to me. Raynor gave us fits last year and Flores played a lot of B12 ball, albeit in a very dysfunctional, but traditionally strong, offensive program. Moberly looks good, but is inexperienced. I, for one, am not worried about the position.

TE has bodies but is really dependent on Fortenberry being a hit. Good news he has a connection with Raynor. Roskop is leader, hopefully. Position is shaky-ish.

As is Running back. Top talent is good, imo, in Flores and Pettaway. But unproven and so valuable in special teams it has to be concerning. So much depends on the health of Francois and Peppers and the late transfer, who i still don't see on the roster.

And schedule is front-loaded, so Rocky start may be facing us. But it is not barren. If you want 16th, I will take that bet.
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Again I never stated we would finish 16th, but looking around a little most have us at 5-7, ESPN, 247, and a few others. Athlons is the only one that had us last, most have us getting three conference wins. Our schedule is also not front loaded, Outside of the game in EIU, we should start 2-1, the October schedule is a bear, @ BYU, @ Arizona, H to OSU and then @ Baylor. Now if you want to bet more than 6 wins, I am interested.
 
1SEIACLONE said:
I wasn't relying on anything, just stating where they have them ranked. Please give us a rundown of other places that have us challenging for the conference title this year. I think 6 wins would be a heck of a season, but I do get the feeling some are expecting a lot more than that, implying we are Indiana without Cuban. We really do not know if Rogers has a great eye for talent or not, it's all hoping he does.

Let's watch this season, before we decide we have found the next great coach at ISU or something else.
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Where did I say anything about us challenging for the conference title?
 
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1SEIACLONE said:
Again I never stated we would finish 16th, but looking around a little most have us at 5-7, ESPN, 247, and a few others. Athlons is the only one that had us last, most have us getting three conference wins. Our schedule is also not front loaded, Outside of the game in EIU, we should start 2-1, the October schedule is a bear, @ BYU, @ Arizona, H to OSU and then @ Baylor. Now if you want to bet more than 6 wins, I am interested.
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That is what I meant by front-loaded. We always have the two cupcakes in September. But @iowa, @BYU, @AZ, OSU, and @ Baylor is a Bear. Probably an underdog in all 5. And 5-7 is probably why Vegas gets us at O/U of 5.5. If we can beat OSU at Home, that probably gets us to 6-6 or 7-5 max. A road win at Baylor or Iowa would be the two weakest, but Iowa is a tough environment. And Baylor heat could be a killer.
 
Clark said:
It is? I'm not sure they could be more dissimilar

One guy had been coaching for 40 years before getting his current job, the other guy won't turn 40 until after year 1 of his current job.

One guy had 2 stops (3 including GA) before his current job, the other guy had 9 (10 including GA)

One guy had been a head coach for 13 years before his current job, the other guy has been a head coach for 3 years

None of that has any bearing on whether or not Rogers will be successful at Iowa State but they have not had anywhere near similar career paths.
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Yeah I was not clear at all about what I meant, but Cignettis tenure at JMU was what I was referring too. Took over a program that had been 14-1, 14-1,9-4 including one FCS national title. Very similar to what Roger’s took over at SDSU that the quoted posted was seemingly holding against him. Obviously Cignetti had a longer resume and also went through taking JMU to FBS.
 
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Clonealways said:
That is what I meant by front-loaded. We always have the two cupcakes in September. But @iowa, @BYU, @AZ, OSU, and @ Baylor is a Bear. Probably an underdog in all 5. And 5-7 is probably why Vegas gets us at O/U of 5.5. If we can beat OSU at Home, that probably gets us to 6-6 or 7-5 max. A road win at Baylor or Iowa would be the two weakest, but Iowa is a tough environment. And Baylor heat could be a killer.
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The Baylor game is our ninth one on Nov. 7. That's front-loaded? You conveniently left out our fourth & fifth games, home against Utah & WVU.
 
1SEIACLONE said:
247 has them ranked #14 in the country, they are not getting the 5 star recruits, but have 7 four star and 13 three star. PSU is ranked 3rd in the conference, ahead of OSU and Michigan as of today
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That's probably more 3 stars than they are used to but I think their fanbase should wait and see how well the team performs before complaining. Campbell has proven that he can win with 3 star kids.
 
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Data is from 247sports. Historically, ISU has consistently been in bottom 5 (among P5/P4) in the overall average player ranking. The previous staff proved it could do "more will less" when you compared their recruiting rankings to their peers. That remains to be seen with this staff.

As of 6/23/26, the 2027 overall rank is 39. Average player rank is 86.14

2026: Overall rank #56. Average player rank 85.67
2025: Overall rank #49. Average player rank: 86.76
2024: Overall rank #47. Average player rank: 86.00
2023: Overall rank #47. Average player rank: 86.48
2022: Overall rank #37. Average player rank: 86.18
 
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demoncore1031 said:
That's probably more 3 stars than they are used to but I think their fanbase should wait and see how well the team performs before complaining. Campbell has proven that he can win with 3 star kids.
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I looked at their 247 rankings back to 2020, PSU had one season with 3 five star players, outside of that it was 1 per year. They generally were bringing in 10 to 12 four star recruits and the rest were another 10 to 12 three star recruits.
Comparing their recruiting to those at the top, its not even close, they had talented players but no where near what Ohio State, Alabama and Georgia was bringing in year after year.
Franklin lost not because of recruiting, generally around 15th or so nationally, he got fired because he could not beat top 10 ranked teams, even when he had equal to a little less talent. If Campbell can perform against those teams at PSU like he did at ISU, he will be fine.
 
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Daserop said:
Data is from 247sports. Historically, ISU has consistently been in bottom 5 (among P5) in overall ranking and average player ranking. The previous staff proved it could do "more will less" when you compared their recruiting rankings to their peers. That remains to be seen with this staff.

As of 6/23/26, the 2027 overall rank is 39. Average player rank is 86.14

2026: Overall rank #56. Average player rank 85.67
2025: Overall rank #49. Average player rank: 86.76
2024: Overall rank #47. Average player rank: 86.00
2023: Overall rank #47. Average player rank: 86.48
2022: Overall rank #37. Average player rank: 86.18
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Bottom 5? I count 68 teams among the four major conferences.
 
Daserop said:
Data is from 247sports. Historically, ISU has consistently been in bottom 5 (among P5/P4) in the overall average player ranking. The previous staff proved it could do "more will less" when you compared their recruiting rankings to their peers. That remains to be seen with this staff.

As of 6/23/26, the 2027 overall rank is 39. Average player rank is 86.14

2026: Overall rank #56. Average player rank 85.67
2025: Overall rank #49. Average player rank: 86.76
2024: Overall rank #47. Average player rank: 86.00
2023: Overall rank #47. Average player rank: 86.48
2022: Overall rank #37. Average player rank: 86.18
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Fascinating that this class is the 3rd-lowest average player rank here, but the 2nd-highest team rank. Is the median team ranking sliding downward?
 
MeowingCows said:
Fascinating that this class is the 3rd-lowest average player rank here, but the 2nd-highest team rank. Is the median team ranking sliding downward?
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To paraphrase Napoléon, quantity is a quality of its own.

Those previous classes are finished, we're only halfway through this class so lots of programs haven't filled much of their class yet so as those classes add more players ISU's current ranking will drop.
 
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ESciGuy said:
The Baylor game is our ninth one on Nov. 7. That's front-loaded? You conveniently left out our fourth & fifth games, home against Utah & WVU.
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I took his games he listed as the schedule. I should have looked. Getting home wins early, is obviously important.
 
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Clark said:
To paraphrase Napoléon, quantity is a quality of its own.

Those previous classes are finished, we're only halfway through this class so lots of programs haven't filled much of their class yet so as those classes add more players ISU's current ranking will drop.
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I keep forgetting that's 2027 and not 2026.
 
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