When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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Couldn't agree more If you're Ferrari and sell less than 15k vehicles in a year CAFE standards shouldn't apply to you. Build V12 monsters that some rich ******* leaves parked in the garage for 360 days out of the year, not really hurting anything.
that new ferrari is hilarious.
if they'd make a traditional two seater mid engine NA V-8 with a manual transmission, they could sell them for $3m all day long.
if they'd make a traditional two seater mid engine NA V-8 with a manual transmission, they could sell them for $3m all day long.
Yeah a few weekends ago i watched a tesla absolutely struggling for a few minutes to park itself in a spot at the Casey's center, and thr spot wasn't even that small or hard to back in or out of, just the truck next to it was a long box.
I mean, if you want to make the fastest cars it's going to be electric.
It's not necessarily about the fastest for a supercar, it's an identity with performance. EVs don't match that, and certainly not shittily-attempted ones like whatever garbage Ferrari is trying to put out. It doesn't look like a 'Rari, which is the whole point of buying one. This explains it well:
These aren't exactly daily drivers for their target audience, nor is what they're really trying to buy. If they want a superfast EV, Tesla Plaid already covered that better.
Some people are going to be genuinely interested in the best performing cars that look cool and someone will have to serve that market. There is no reason you can't make an electric supercar that looks exactly like a traditional supercar, or at least looks cool in general, that would be superior performance wise. It's already been done. Somebody is going to serve that market. Just because Ferrari can't do it doesn't mean others will fail.
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Lol! "some countries" = every country but dumbass America.
Crazy dumb American, as it includes PHEV
Many Americans can be EV only with PHEV for a vast majority of driving. Hybrid on the other instances. Plus better torque.
I am in love with the R2. If I can make it work I might make it a divorce gift to myself in the next 12-24 months...
Ferrari isnt a supercar. But there's no reason to not make an EV supercar imho. It can accelerate as fast as the tires will allow. Handling and styling need to be top notch too.
I think Ferrari's problem is similar to what I said above about Jag. Just because it's electric doesn't mean it needs to look like something George Jetson would drive. I think the designers are all high on their own supply with focus words like "future" and "tech".
What would be the problem with making a 911 all electric?
Am thinking of an additional car this summer as we added a new driver in the house. We have a 2025 Subaru Solterra and my wife wants me to get an ICE car. Instead I am seriously considering getting another EV. The Subaru Trailseeker is bigger and has better range than the Solterra (man, the range on the Solterra kinda sucks. The range on the 2026 Solterra is better), and Subaru is releasing the larger Getaway EV this fall with even better range. I do wish the new VW Bus had better range otherwise I would be all over that.
Since we've owned the Solterra my wife has complained that the low range prevents us from taking it to Chicago or whatever. We took it to the Twin Cities last weekend and even she said the experience was better than she thought it would be. The only real issue was there was no charging infrastructure near the hotel, so we had to find a fast-charger nearby. Wasn't ideal but not horrible, but I would have loved to charge it right there at the hotel. Funny thing is taking it to the Twin Cities was much easier than taking it to Dubuque from Ankeny. There isn't much for charging infrastructure on Hwy 20.
Since we've owned the Solterra my wife has complained that the low range prevents us from taking it to Chicago or whatever. We took it to the Twin Cities last weekend and even she said the experience was better than she thought it would be. The only real issue was there was no charging infrastructure near the hotel, so we had to find a fast-charger nearby. Wasn't ideal but not horrible, but I would have loved to charge it right there at the hotel. Funny thing is taking it to the Twin Cities was much easier than taking it to Dubuque from Ankeny. There isn't much for charging infrastructure on Hwy 20.
You just explained why they shouldn't make an EV in your own post:
* Companies struggle to make EVs that look normal. Look is a massive part of these companies.
* EV typically don't have the handling and driving response that expensive sports car buyers are looking for. Typically a lot heavier, tougher suspension to support it, meaning affected feel and response.
* Ultimately, it's not about speed. Ferrari and Porsche don't make the fastest cars on the planet. They make a driving experience attached to an identity. The driving experience of an EV is vastly different from existing ICE cars.
Sure, they can make them, but sales will be dismal for brands that are already low-volume sellers. I've seen little to no evidence that their actual customer bases are interested in buying these products. Like I said before, if you want the fastest EV around, Tesla already did that and has been doing it for years.
As for a 911, again, that's the driving experience attached to a small, highly-powered, relatively-light and nimble car. An EV will have a tough time replicating that with current technology. I'm not an anti-EV person at all -- I simply don't think they make sense for this particular segment of buyers. These people are not focused on practicality or being the Jetsons, as you said.
You may be right that electric super cars will never find their market, but I also think that Tesla and other manufacturers being able to offer super car performance in an affordable sedan is going to lead to the death of super cars over the next couple of decades. You can't sell the nostalgia of the old school driving experience to younger people who won't care about it. So if they can't find a way to adapt to electric you're going to see the death of companies like Ferrari in our lifetime.
