Ashley Okland Murder

[ISUCubswin]

Prosecution was always going to provide evidence that points the finger at Ramsey

But the evidence that came out today…wtf were we doing for 15 years

 

[tim_redd]

It's understandable why that would have been so traumatic for the witness, leading to the attempt on their own life. To witness all that, knowing exactly what happened, only for nothing to follow afterward.

 

[Drew0311]

Prosecution was always going to provide evidence that points the finger at Ramsey

But the evidence that came out today…wtf were we doing for 15 years

Based on every Dateline and 20/20 I have ever seen. My theory is the DA told the investigators to get more evidence. The Investigators finally said something like "We have this person now ready to talk" and the DA said arrest her and we will charge her. That is the only thing I can think of right now as to why it took so long

 

[clone52]

So fast forward to today. What changed? Maybe they have new evidence but what was shown today is all evidence they've had. Generally a witness account is only going to weaken with time.

Not going to show everything at a bond hearing.

 

[Clonefan32]

If part of your key evidence is an eye witness waiting 15 years is certainly a choice.

 

[Tailg8er]

I just don’t understand why people want out of jury duty (unless it is truly an economic hardship). It’s a fascinating look at how the legal world works and it will open your eyes.

100% agree (easy for me as my employer pays my normal wage while on jury duty).

I've only been called once here in Polk County, was a DUI case. Think I was the only prospective juror to raise my hand when asked if any of us were excited to be there today, they weren't expecting that. Trial took just over a day, maybe a couple hours of deliberation before we found him not guilty. There was one guy who insisted on sticking with guilty with reasoning "I can just tell he's lying"... luckily he had somewhere to be so went along with the rest of the group after not too long.

 

[ISUTex]

It's understandable why that would have been so traumatic for the witness, leading to the attempt on their own life. To witness all that, knowing exactly what happened, only for nothing to follow afterward.

Unless the witness actually did it and made up the story. Ramsay is probably guilty though. IMO. But, ya never know.

 

[GoHawks]

Not going to show everything at a bond hearing.

That could be and that's fair

 

[cycloneworld]

Not going to show everything at a bond hearing.

Yep. Likely won’t be able to convict on only eyewitness testimony from 15 years ago. There has to be a lot more to the story.

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

Yep. Likely won’t be able to convict on only eyewitness testimony from 15 years ago. There has to be a lot more to the story.

I agree. I’m guessing some sort of DNA is involved. Would be pretty embarrassing if the prosecutors can’t get a conviction on this case after an arrest so many years later.

 

[Dork Diggler]

To the posters who feel the need to inject humor into this thread, hopefully you never have a family member murdered. In response to the information released today, that makes the cringeworthy, self- congratulatory press conference seem even worse.

 

[ISUJason]

Totally fair. A potential solution would be requiring employers to pay employees for jury duty. Almost a civic duty type of tax akin to unemployment tax.

Everywhere I've worked, all salary employees got paid for jury duty the same as being at work. Even drove my company truck to the courthouse.

I was on a jury once with a co-worker. Generally attorneys don't like engineers, but they got 2 on that one. Only time I've been called.

 

[Cyched]

Everywhere I've worked, all salary employees got paid for jury duty the same as being at work. Even drove my company truck to the courthouse.

I was on a jury once with a co-worker. Generally attorneys don't like engineers, but they got 2 on that one. Only time I've been called.

I heard the line about engineers too, but I got selected the only time I got called (a little over a year ago).

I was only gone for a day, but it’s kind of wild seeing the variance in how many days companies will pay you for, if any.

 

[BCClone]

I suppose somebody could show up drunk maybe that would get you out of jury duty

 

[4cy16]

Everywhere I've worked, all salary employees got paid for jury duty the same as being at work. Even drove my company truck to the courthouse.

I was on a jury once with a co-worker. Generally attorneys don't like engineers, but they got 2 on that one. Only time I've been called.

Why would they not like engineers?

 

[BCClone]

Why would they not like engineers?

Because most people don’t like engineers

 

[CYdTracked]

I'm not going to be critical on why this took 15 years to charge until we hear all the evidence and timeline that led us to this point. We probably won't get that until it goes to try and evidence is presented. There has to be something that finally gave them enough to be confident the charges would stick now and good chance of conviction that they have not had this entire time is my only conclusion. I've heard Parizek say many times that they only get 1 shot at trying someone for a crime so you have to be darn sure you dot all the i's and cross all your t's before you press charges as 1 mistake or lack of evidence is all that is needed to have the case dropped sometimes. There had to be 1 missing piece to this case that something finally changed 15 years later that they finally got what they needed to make this a convictable case is the only reason I can think of.

 

[Cyched]

Why would they not like engineers?

Supposedly too analytical and less likely to be persuaded by emotional arguments.

Because most people don’t like engineers

Cut me deep here

 

[BCClone]

I'm not going to be critical on why this took 15 years to charge until we hear all the evidence and timeline that led us to this point. We probably won't get that until it goes to try and evidence is presented. There has to be something that finally gave them enough to be confident the charges would stick now and good chance of conviction that they have not had this entire time is my only conclusion. I've heard Parizek say many times that they only get 1 shot at trying someone for a crime so you have to be darn sure you dot all the i's and cross all your t's before you press charges as 1 mistake or lack of evidence is all that is needed to have the case dropped sometimes. There had to be 1 missing piece to this case that something finally changed 15 years later that they finally got what they needed to make this a convictable case is the only reason I can think of.

It could be a situation of their witness or witnesses starting to have poor health also. Or other evidence basically being borderline and it’s try it now or forever be lost.

 

[Bader]

Because most people don’t like engineers