Bill Fennelly

[loyalsons4evertrue]

Iowa has done a hell of a job parlaying their success with Clark into more. You have to think they are probably a more attractive program for recruits.

there's no doubt about that....the young girls that grow up in Iowa right now adore CC as she was/is the media darling (she's also just really good at basketball) and thus probably dream of playing for Iowa....hence why the upper deck of Hilton this year had a bunch of young girls screaming every time Iowa State was shooting ft's. I would be willing to bet there are a lot less young girls in this state dreaming of playing for Iowa State than Iowa.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

there's no doubt about that....the young girls that grow up in Iowa right now adore CC as she was/is the media darling (she's also just really good at basketball) and thus probably dream of playing for Iowa....hence why the upper deck of Hilton this year had a bunch of young girls screaming every time Iowa State was shooting ft's. I would be willing to be there are a lot less young girls in this state dreaming of playing for Iowa State than Iowa.

Unless they are born and raised Cyclone fans we can kiss any of the good in state recruits goodbye right now.

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

Stats are always fun when you leave out context which you do a great job of. Any idea why the team (not him alone) lost to KU? I’ll let you research that since you were a young whipper snapper back then.

You always conveniently add “outright” to the conference titles. How many Big 12 teams have accomplished that? Only OU (5), Texas (1), TTU (2), Baylor (12), KU (1), KSU (1), Nebraska (1) and TCU (1).

Tournament Titles?
Colorado (1j, TTU (2), ISU (3), OU (4), Texas (3), Baylor (11), A&M (2), WVU (1), TCU (1)

It’s ok that you dislike Fennelly and want him gone. But do realize…the grass isn’t always greener. Look at TTU since Marsha Sharp retired. Look at A&M since Gary Blair left. Thats exactly where ISU can land versus finding an ideal replacement like OU did. Do I want better? Every freaking year I want to compete for the title. But when we don’t get there I don’t lose my mind over it.

I think the frustrating part is that the Big 12 without Mulkey is extremely weak and we theoretically should be competing for a Big 12 title which is all but gone (Tech and TCU in particular are not losing that many games).

 

[cyputz]

There have been a few. One girl was going to sue him due to discrimination or something.

My point, if he has the balls to do it in front of the fans, whats he doing behind closed doors. His assistants are puppies if you watch them. When he ripped into JS, was the day I decided my daughter would never play for Bill if she ever decided to play WBB in college.

We had seats directly behind the team bench, that was the finale, never stepped foot in Hilton to go to a women’s game ahead.
Sad part was, JS parents were there to get her to stay. They helped her pack within 24 hours after that.

 

[geewago]

I think the frustrating part is that the Big 12 without Mulkey is extremely weak and we theoretically should be competing for a Big 12 title which is all but gone (Tech and TCU in particular are not losing that many games).

I really regret that WBB in the Big 12 is not on par with MBB. If it was this would be one super basketball conference. I think your statement about the Big12 being extremely weak without Mulkey could also be modified to say, "and without TX & OU". They both have different coaches now and they have them playing at a much higher pace. Plus the adding of 3 -4 other teams that are weaker than any original Big 12 school has also put a slight black eye on the conference.

 

[BoxsterCy]

I really regret that WBB in the Big 12 is not on par with MBB. If it was this would be one super basketball conference. I think your statement about the Big12 being extremely weak without Mulkey could also be modified to say, "and without TX & OU". They both have different coaches now and they have them playing at a much higher pace. Plus the adding of 3 -4 other teams that are weaker than any original Big 12 school has also put a slight black eye on the conference.

 

[acoustimac]

I really regret that WBB in the Big 12 is not on par with MBB. If it was this would be one super basketball conference. I think your statement about the Big12 being extremely weak without Mulkey could also be modified to say, "and without TX & OU". They both have different coaches now and they have them playing at a much higher pace. Plus the adding of 3 -4 other teams that are weaker than any original Big 12 school has also put a slight black eye on the conference.

Definitely in target. Everyone knew adding those teams wasn’t going to help conference strength. On the plus side we are seeing some of the teams getting stronger (ASU, Utah and BYU). I anticipate that will continue. Will be interesting to see if the money bags - Houston and UCF - will invest in their programs or let them languish.

 

[CRAZYGREG]

The only thing I get remotely emotional about is the amount of hate and idiocy that appears on here about the WBB program when struggles happen. Trolls crawl out of the woodwork who never post when good things are happening. I’m not passionate about Fennelly AT ALL. I’m passionate about the team and program.

This is total BS! Your shtick has ALWAYS been to attack anyone who says ANYTHING remotely negative about WBB.
You discourage posters to talk about the team or cbf... unless it is sunshine and rainbows.
I've seen your posts about other sports and you can be negative there... you have a serious problem with defending cbf and the team. You make discussion impossible with your constant attacks and almost single handedly ruin the forum.
Sorry dude... you are absolutely emotional all the time about Bill.

 

[acoustimac]

This is total BS! Your shtick has ALWAYS been to attack anyone who says ANYTHING remotely negative about WBB.
You discourage posters to talk about the team or cbf... unless it is sunshine and rainbows.
I've seen your posts about other sports and you can be negative there... you have a serious problem with defending cbf and the team. You make discussion impossible with your constant attacks and almost single handedly ruin the forum.
Sorry dude... you are absolutely emotional all the time about Bill.

Hello sunshine...welcome back. If you actually read (can you) my posts, including the summaries I do...I do get critical about CBF, but I don't attack him. I can critique players and do very frequently...without attacking them. You on the other hand...

 

[Cyforce]

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I know link doesn’t work but hopefully someone more tech savvy than me saw the photo I’m referring to and can post it.


Not sure if the picture shown on google will show in this but the looks on the players faces he isn’t yelling at tells me it’s time fore a change.

 

[dt82]

He doesn't chew out the players as badly as he used to do....but those dirty looks he gives are a bad. There seems to be a lack of in game coaching....just being frustrated at the players.

The assistants have started doing it as well......

He coaches using fear as a tactic - you have athletes playing tense/nervous not to make a mistake - usually doesn't work out very well.

 

[farm85]

He coaches using fear as a tactic - you have athletes playing tense/nervous not to make a mistake - usually doesn't work out very well.

That tactic kind of reminds me of a certain wrestling coaching staff vs Penn State last week....

 

[acoustimac]

He coaches using fear as a tactic - you have athletes playing tense/nervous not to make a mistake - usually doesn't work out very well.

Have you watched ANY other coaches in WBB? My goodness Mulkey could melt the paint off of siding with her looks and rants. A Pat Summit look would make me pee my pants.

Edit - I will also add that I’m not a proponent of that style of coaching. In all the years I coached I found it counter productive, but I also worked with coaches in the other side of the fence and they felt it worked.

 

[ISU40]

One thing that I keep thinking of was when the Green Hills person asked the question of give your best impression of Bill. All of them showed him frustrated and were laughing.

Is he rough and yells a lot? Absolutely. Does some of it cross the line? I cannot answer that without context. One thing I have learned in this life is to be patient until you have all the facts and then make a judgement. An example in Iowa right now is the mess with the Superintendent in Des Moines. So many jumped to his defense and then we learned a lot more. (Just an example, not wanting to get into this subject as I have no skin in that game)

 

[kcdc4isu]

I have always felt that Bill is a tough love type of coach. He at times show his frustration but when you talk to former players many have nothing but praise/respect for him. I know there have been a couple who do not feel that way and that is do some of his outbursts and I don't blame them for feeling that way. But I have heard more positive than negative comments from former players.

 

[Just Cloned]

I have always felt that Bill is a tough love type of coach. He at times show his frustration but when you talk to former players many have nothing but praise/respect for him. I know there have been a couple who do not feel that way and that is do some of his outbursts and I don't blame them for feeling that way. But I have heard more positive than negative comments from former players.

Just curious. Were they his favorite players or the ones that got yanked a lot? His sideline demeaner is horrible. To me you don't pull aside 1 player and scream in their face until you can't breathe. Especially on National TV. Nobody deserves that. Take the player out of the game and sit them down and have the position coach talk to them. The coach won't lose his focus on the game that way. Just my opinion.

 

[acoustimac]

Just curious. Were they his favorite players or the ones that got yanked a lot? His sideline demeaner is horrible. To me you don't pull aside 1 player and scream in their face until you can't breathe. Especially on National TV. Nobody deserves that. Take the player out of the game and sit them down and have the position coach talk to them. The coach won't lose his focus on the game that way. Just my opinion.

Just ask a few of them. The funniest story is when he was ripping on Megan Taylor…and she just smiled and straightened his tie.

 

[kcdc4isu]

Just curious. Were they his favorite players or the ones that got yanked a lot? His sideline demeaner is horrible. To me you don't pull aside 1 player and scream in their face until you can't breathe. Especially on National TV. Nobody deserves that. Take the player out of the game and sit them down and have the position coach talk to them. The coach won't lose his focus on the game that way. Just my opinion.

I have seen him talk/glare/raise his voice to favorites and bench players. He is not much different than most of the top coaches. For some it is just a stare some, is getting in a player face and to me what is worse is to call a time out and just ignore the player who made the mistake as if that person does not exist.

 

[CYdTracked]

He doesn't chew out the players as badly as he used to do....but those dirty looks he gives are a bad. There seems to be a lack of in game coaching....just being frustrated at the players.

The assistants have started doing it as well......

Bill has toned it down A LOT from what he use to do with vocally chewing out players during games. There were times all of Hilton probably heard him early in his career. The "dirty looks" should not be an issue IMO. They are D1 college athletes, surely they have had a coach throughout their years chew their butt out or give them looks during a game so fans probably make a bigger deal out of this than the players actually do.

I'd be concerned if our players are that soft that Bill giving them a dirty look during a game when they missed a defensive assignment or didn't put their best effort into a play that we don't have the caliber of players it takes to win at this level. I can bet you Mulkey, Staley, and Gino all are tough on their players too if not tougher than Bill is and they have national titles to show for it. I get there is a fine line of what people think is being too hard on player and I do think Bill has toned it down quite a bit from earlier in is coaching career to what he is today.

My brother in law used to coach HS girls basketball and he would scream and chew out players at times and some might even cry during a timeout. One time he called a timeout after a player had been jacking up a lot of bad shots and not passing the ball and everyone in the gym heard him yell "you play for the name on the front of your jersey not the one on the back of it!" His players didn't hate him for it, they knew it was not personal and got along with him just fine outside of basketball. If he had a parent complain about the yelling his response was always "you should be more concerned if I am not yelling because that means I have given up on coaching your daughter." I graduated HS in 1998, I was no star athlete by any means and I did not go out for a sport again after my freshman year. But I recall getting my butt chewed good several times in FB and BB in junior high and I didn't take it personal, it made me try harder and focus more not to make the same mistakes. I didn't hate any of them for it, there were also teachers in the school so you still saw them throughout the day outside of sports too. I bothers me that some players in today's era will just quit sports or change teams if they think the coach is too "tough" on them. Sports are supposed to be tough and if you can't handle a little criticism and adversity sometimes I'm not sure why you bother to play the sport at a high level.

 

[ema28]

Bill has toned it down A LOT from what he use to do with vocally chewing out players during games. There were times all of Hilton probably heard him early in his career. The "dirty looks" should not be an issue IMO. They are D1 college athletes, surely they have had a coach throughout their years chew their butt out or give them looks during a game so fans probably make a bigger deal out of this than the players actually do.

I'd be concerned if our players are that soft that Bill giving them a dirty look during a game when they missed a defensive assignment or didn't put their best effort into a play that we don't have the caliber of players it takes to win at this level. I can bet you Mulkey, Staley, and Gino all are tough on their players too if not tougher than Bill is and they have national titles to show for it. I get there is a fine line of what people think is being too hard on player and I do think Bill has toned it down quite a bit from earlier in is coaching career to what he is today.

My brother in law used to coach HS girls basketball and he would scream and chew out players at times and some might even cry during a timeout. One time he called a timeout after a player had been jacking up a lot of bad shots and not passing the ball and everyone in the gym heard him yell "you play for the name on the front of your jersey not the one on the back of it!" His players didn't hate him for it, they knew it was not personal and got along with him just fine outside of basketball. If he had a parent complain about the yelling his response was always "you should be more concerned if I am not yelling because that means I have given up on coaching your daughter." I graduated HS in 1998, I was no star athlete by any means and I did not go out for a sport again after my freshman year. But I recall getting my butt chewed good several times in FB and BB in junior high and I didn't take it personal, it made me try harder and focus more not to make the same mistakes. I didn't hate any of them for it, there were also teachers in the school so you still saw them throughout the day outside of sports too. I bothers me that some players in today's era will just quit sports or change teams if they think the coach is too "tough" on them. Sports are supposed to be tough and if you can't handle a little criticism and adversity sometimes I'm not sure why you bother to play the sport at a high level.

We are the same age.....and I have been watching ISU womens basketball for a long time and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I don't think the dirty looks are an issue....but when it seems like dirty looks are occurring as opposed to coaching/teaching/adjusting that is when I think it's a problem. And that is where I feel like we are lately in games and at times it seems the assistant coaches have joined him in that area as well. Sometimes there doesn't appear to be a lot of coaching on the bench these days.