Money raising for NIL

[1UNI2ISU]

People don't want to hear it but you're right. Raise current tickets prices off the type of games we already get or...

Could piss off the coaches and make schedules harder. Mandate more fan attractive schedules to sell tickets. Get an 11th p4 game for football in late September and fill your basketball noncon with more home/homes p4s. Go from $30 single game tickets for games like SEMO and Bowling Green to $70 vs random decent p4 school. Could also get rid of the basketball buy games that sell tickets for like $10 and swap for a decent p4 team and get $50.

They could also require separate cyclone club donation amounts for season tickets for football and basketball to really piss people off.

I'm a tinge rusty on my contract law but if I remember right, you can't just simply compel other teams to show up in Ames or else.

The fans have done enough. It's up to JP and his marketing/fundraising staff to get creative and get more corporate dollars. The answer can't always be having the fans that are already putting money down dig deeper.

 

[cyclone87]

I'm pretty sure the million went to this year's allocation to the men's players as it was known going into the season, if they had won the tournament and the extra mil it would have gone to next year's basketball roster.

Yea, this makes more sense. Regardless the word is other programs were letting players keep their winnings (made it seem like we were the only ones doing differently?). Also at ISU the players don’t actually get more from the money at all probably since it all just factors into the $5 mil the AD is promising mbb. So if they get $1 mil from the tourney the AD just has to come up with $4mil (it’s not like they get to add it to the $5mil to make it $6 mil). So if they would have won more it’s just makes less $$ the AD has to come up with. Not too exciting for the players.

 

[CySmurf]

NIL??? After what Slick Matt and his traitors did to gut the program after we have spent however much the past few years...NIL now means

Never
In my
Life

will I subject myself anymore to pour out MY money to some damn kid who doesn't give 2 shitz about Iowa State and will leave after being developed by ISU.

This will be the mindset of many individuals who feel betrayed by these players...but I will say now is the time TO give. This will only help Coach Rogers' attempt to bring in the best possible players from the portal. We can worry about tomorrow another day...OR, JP can try to find new avenues to generate more money. Today is actually the time to worry.

 

[twincyties]

Yea, this makes more sense. Regardless the word is other programs were letting players keep their winnings (made it seem like we were the only ones doing differently?). Also the players don’t actually get more from the money at all probably since it all just factors into the $5 mil the AD is promising mbb. So if they get $1 mil from the tourney the AD just has to come up with $4mil (it’s not like they get to add it to the $5mil to make it $6 mil). So if they would have won more it’s just makes less $$ the AD has to come up with. Not too exciting for the players.

This is a really important point. If we're not fully funding the $20.5M then I'd say you give the extra to the MBB team. If we're at the $20.5M cap, I don't even see how you would distribute it legally in a way that doesn't cut into what you're giving other sports.

 

[IcSyU]

This is a really important point. If we're not fully funding the $20.5M then I'd say you give the extra to the MBB team. If we're at the $20.5M cap, I don't even see how you would distribute it legally in a way that doesn't cut into what you're giving other sports.

At the cap the money stays outside the AD ie Fareway to Audi.

 

[twincyties]

At the cap the money stays outside the AD ie Fareway to Audi.

Understood. But that's an independent relationship she is permitted - by law and by our AD - to develop and maintain.

I don't say this to be argumentative, but I don't think our MBB participation in the Player's Era tournament is equivalent to that. Perhaps I am wrong though.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

The sooner everyone realizes there aren't any rules, the better these discussions are going to be. They can do whatever they want with the $1M from Player's Era and there isn't going to be anybody that blinks an eye or stops them.

The fact that there isn't someone in the AD helping athletes cultivate relationships is the thing that bothers me. 9 of 11 Valley schools have that person and Iowa State doesn't? That's a big miss but if you're just putting those individual deals into the pool anyway, I guess it doesn't matter if you do them or not from the athlete's perspective which forces Audi (and others) to go market themselves.

 

[twincyties]

The sooner everyone realizes there aren't any rules, the better these discussions are going to be. They can do whatever they want with the $1M from Player's Era and there isn't going to be anybody that blinks an eye or stops them.

The fact that there isn't someone in the AD helping athletes cultivate relationships is the thing that bothers me. 9 of 11 Valley schools have that person and Iowa State doesn't? That's a big miss but if you're just putting those individual deals into the pool anyway, I guess it doesn't matter if you do them or not from the athlete's perspective which forces Audi (and others) to go market themselves.

I think this is all a huge point of confusion among people here. And if that is indeed the case, you can count on the general population of Cyclone fans to have absolutely zero idea how this works.

* Don't disagree these rules are going to get bent/broken, but - playing devil's advocate - would the Players Era money not need to go through the clearing house in the future?

*. Agree with your point about the AD needing someone in this kind of role. This is the truth "in the middle" that gets lost between the pitchfork crowd and the blind loyalty crowd in regards to the Pollar discussion.

* As I understand it, the individual deals are not going into the pool in the future and haven't in the past (e.g. Audi and Fareway). However, if it's a situation like Jamarion Batemon and Iowa Corn then you are correct - because that's a university sponsorship under the revenue share category and not an indepdently sourced deal directly between athlete and business.

I don't say any of this to be argumentative with you. Just trying to clarify some points where I think people are getting confused.

And all are welcome to correct me where I'm wrong with no offense taken. My understanding is based on some discussion here and a lot of reading I've done on the topic. I am by no means an expert.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I think this is all a huge point of confusion among people here. And if that is indeed the case, you can count on the general population of Cyclone fans to have absolutely zero idea how this works.

* Don't disagree these rules are going to get bent/broken, but - playing devil's advocate - would the Players Era money not need to go through the clearing house in the future?

*. Agree with your point about the AD needing someone in this kind of role. This is the truth "in the middle" that gets lost between the pitchfork crowd and the blind loyalty crowd in regards to the Pollar discussion.

* As I understand it, the individual deals are not going into the pool in the future and haven't in the past (e.g. Audi and Fareway). However, if it's a situation like Jamarion Batemon and Iowa Corn then you are correct - because that's a university sponsorship under the revenue share category and not an indepdently sourced deal directly between athlete and business.

I don't say any of this to be argumentative with you. Just trying to clarify some points where I think people are getting confused.

And all are welcome to correct me where I'm wrong with no offense taken. My understanding is based on some discussion here and a lot of reading I've done on the topic. I am by no means an expert.

Neither am I and that's not argumentative at all! Appreciate the discussion.

My understanding on the Player's Era money is that it's 'clean' as soon as it's sent because of a community service clause in the contract with the school and that they've given a blanket waiver to both Player's Era and Acrisure Series on those funds.

I believe you're also correct on where money goes from individual deals, even though that is an incredibly messy way to do it. Batemon is getting picked by Iowa Corn because of who he is, so it should be his money. It's not like they'd take a walk on and feel like they got their money's worth. Blum seems to imply that he's not even getting his expenses covered for those kinds of appearances.

And we're in full agreement that Audi (or anybody else) shouldn't have to be out negotiating deals outside. I don't think that JP realizes allowing Audi to do those deals in ISU branded gear also gives him free marketing while she gets the check. Two birds, one stone.

 

[twincyties]

Neither am I and that's not argumentative at all! Appreciate the discussion.

My understanding on the Player's Era money is that it's 'clean' as soon as it's sent because of a community service clause in the contract with the school and that they've given a blanket waiver to both Player's Era and Acrisure Series on those funds.

I believe you're also correct on where money goes from individual deals, even though that is an incredibly messy way to do it. Batemon is getting picked by Iowa Corn because of who he is, so it should be his money. It's not like they'd take a walk on and feel like they got their money's worth. Blum seems to imply that he's not even getting his expenses covered for those kinds of appearances.

And we're in full agreement that Audi (or anybody else) shouldn't have to be out negotiating deals outside. I don't think that JP realizes allowing Audi to do those deals in ISU branded gear also gives him free marketing while she gets the check. Two birds, one stone.

All good points and I did not know about the waiver with the PLayer's Era and Acrisure Series. Super helpful. Thank you

And wholeheartedly agree on the point about Batemon/Audi. I think that is another place that Pollard deserves some objective criticism here.

 

[Die4Cy]

People continue to complain that Pollard let MC leave and say that it will happen to TJ too, without realizing that this battle was just fought and TJ won. Campbell left when Pollard refused him personal access to ISU athletics donors if department rev share is not met first. How is that not a defense of men's basketball that basically gets all of the rev share that football does not?

I believe that it was a choice between starving men's basketball of funding or a nominal amount of additional funding football at Campbell's personal beckon call. If that's what it was, Pollard made the correct choice.

 

[CyclonesRock]

Neither am I and that's not argumentative at all! Appreciate the discussion.

My understanding on the Player's Era money is that it's 'clean' as soon as it's sent because of a community service clause in the contract with the school and that they've given a blanket waiver to both Player's Era and Acrisure Series on those funds.

I believe you're also correct on where money goes from individual deals, even though that is an incredibly messy way to do it. Batemon is getting picked by Iowa Corn because of who he is, so it should be his money. It's not like they'd take a walk on and feel like they got their money's worth. Blum seems to imply that he's not even getting his expenses covered for those kinds of appearances.

And we're in full agreement that Audi (or anybody else) shouldn't have to be out negotiating deals outside. I don't think that JP realizes allowing Audi to do those deals in ISU branded gear also gives him free marketing while she gets the check. Two birds, one stone.

I think the rub comes in that Hy-Vee has an exclusive partnership with Iowa State, that is why ISU gear cannot be shown in competitor Fareway ads.

 

[1TwistedCyclone]

Iowa Beef Industry Council. Iowa Pork Producers Association. We have to have some pretty solid connections with both. Cyclone Beef Sticks, Jerky, Slim Jim equivalents. Gotta be open to all branding opportunities that can generate incremental revenue.

 

[BCClone]

I think the rub comes in that Hy-Vee has an exclusive partnership with Iowa State, that is why ISU gear cannot be shown in competitor Fareway ads.

No. If ISU stuff is used, it’s ISU NIL being used and it’s the ADs money.

 

[BCClone]

Iowa Beef Industry Council. Iowa Pork Producers Association. We have to have some pretty solid connections with both. Cyclone Beef Sticks, Jerky, Slim Jim equivalents. Gotta be open to all branding opportunities that can generate incremental revenue.

Bacon will have to work with the Pennsylvania pork producers. I’m sure all 3 of them will want to do something.

 

[1TwistedCyclone]

Bacon will have to work with the Pennsylvania pork producers. I’m sure all 3 of them will want to do something.

Scrapple obviously is the superior breakfast "meat"

 

[twincyties]

Scrapple obviously is the superior breakfast "meat"

Fun fact. They love a soft pretzel with spicy mustard for breakfast in PA (at least in the Philly area).

 

[JK4ISU]

Money is fungible. When I worked in Omaha, I contributed to United Way. Some people didn’t because they didn’t like some of the charities United Way supported. So, United Way allowed people to designate their donation. If you liked the Red Cross, you could designate it there. However, your designation didn’t make a difference unless the total of designations exceeded what they were going to give anyway.
It is the same way for the AD donations. If the AD allocates $13m to football and you want to donate your $1000 only to football, they will tell you that your donation went to football, but it will be part of the allocation. It will not increase the allocation unless the total of the designations exceeds the budgeted amount.
The beauty of We Will was that it was outside the control of the AD and went to the designated programs as We Will and the coaches decided.
I don’t understand why We Will agreed to be subsumed by the AD and have their donations tossed in the big pot and lose discretion.

 

[twincyties]

Money is fungible. When I worked in Omaha, I contributed to United Way. Some people didn’t because they didn’t like some of the charities United Way supported. So, United Way allowed people to designate their donation. If you liked the Red Cross, you could designate it there. However, your designation didn’t make a difference unless the total of designations exceeded what they were going to give anyway.
It is the same way for the AD donations. If the AD allocates $13m to football and you want to donate your $1000 only to football, they will tell you that your donation went to football, but it will be part of the allocation. It will not increase the allocation unless the total of the designations exceeds the budgeted amount.
The beauty of We Will was that it was outside the control of the AD and went to the designated programs as We Will and the coaches decided.
I don’t understand why We Will agreed to be subsumed by the AD and have their donations tossed in the big pot and lose discretion.

I don’t think these true “pay for play” collectives can be outside the university anymore. They could, however, help arrange NIl deals between business and athletes within the rule of law.

And yes, I don’t expect all of these rules to be followed (before everyone piles on that).

 

[JK4ISU]

I don’t think these true “pay for play” collectives can be outside the university anymore. They could, however, help arrange NIl deals between business and athletes within the rule of law.

And yes, I don’t expect all of these rules to be followed (before everyone piles on that).

Yes, I didn’t know if it was required or voluntary. I thought it might be voluntary because it seems the rich schools are promising money beyond the $20.5m and I thought there must be some organization beyond the AD, like We Will, managing that promise.