ISU unranked in AP poll

[Gonzo]

I was talking about their top wins vs power conferences. Boise State isn't that.

SMU shouldn't be that, the Big 12 said no thanks to them because they couldn't even beat the Houston/BYU/UCF/Cincy type of teams we added. Then they ran through a pathetic ACC last year...while losing at home to Big 12 AGAIN...and the idiotic committee thought they were better than Arizona State and BYU who beat them on the road.

Your entire argument hangs on a #10 team that bought their way into P4, gets absolutely destroyed against the Big 12 almost every time, and isn't a conference rival.

Penn State simply has not gotten it done against top teams, not for a team everybody pencils in the top ten every single year.

I agree PSU and Franklin choke big time against the top-5 teams they play. I'm just saying that post listing his top-10 wins since 2016 isn't true and is easily proven wrong. And yes, whether I agree with a team's ranking or not, if it's a top-10 win it's a top-10 win.

 

[Gonzo]

You’re really doing some campaigning here for Franklin lol.

Lol, if throwing out simple facts is "campaigning" I guess I'm guilty.

I can't stand Franklin as a coach or as a human. But that post listing his top-10 wins since 2016 is just false, and saying he can't beat ranked teams is false.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

We're not necessarily mad privileged teams receive privilege; we're particularly mad that teams like Indiana are considered "privileged".

Indiana is privileged by association (B1G).

 

[HFCS]

I agree PSU and Franklin choke big time against the top-5 teams they play. I'm just saying that post listing his top-10 wins since 2016 isn't true and is easily proven wrong. And yes, whether I agree with a team's ranking or not, if it's a top-10 win it's a top-10 win.

Per your demands SMU wasn't a top 10 for Penn State either. (#13 final AP ranking)

 

[Gonzo]

Per your demands SMU wasn't a top 10 for Penn State either. (#13 final AP ranking)

Lol, I thought final ranking is what we went with but that's apparently not the case.

 

[HFCS]

Lol, if throwing out simple facts is "campaigning" I guess I'm guilty.

I can't stand Franklin as a coach or as a human. But that post listing his top-10 wins since 2016 is just false, and saying he can't beat ranked teams is false.

The way you only count the final AP poll makes it hard to look up things per your demands.

I had been giving him the top ten win against wildly overrated SMU and then I remembered you don't consider that a top ten win because they were 10th when PSU beat them at home but fell to 13th after the loss.

I don't have time to cross reference PSU schedules with the AP final poll.

Suffice to say for a team constantly ranked top ten PSU reliably loses to other teams ranked that high almost without fail.

 

[HFCS]

Lol, I thought final ranking is what we went with but that's apparently not the case.

It's a lot easier to look up their schedule of when they played than cross reference their losses with the final AP poll.

SMU not a top 10 win per your criteria so they really have almost none.

Find all their final poll top 10 wins since 2016...I bet it's hardly any compared to any other teams that are always top 10 like Alabama or Ohio State or Georgia.


Here's my comp of ranked wins again of ISU vs a team that is always ranked about #7 over four years:
Team A:
38-10 over #10 (home)
21-7 over #19 (home)
31-0 over #24 (home)
35-21 over #8 (neutral)

Team B:
24-21 over #17 (neutral)
21-20 over #21 (road)
29-21 over #24 (home)
42-41 over #13 (netural)
42-35 over #19 (road)

 

[Statefan10]

Lol, if throwing out simple facts is "campaigning" I guess I'm guilty.

I can't stand Franklin as a coach or as a human. But that post listing his top-10 wins since 2016 is just false, and saying he can't beat ranked teams is false.

Did the post mean after the 2016 season? Because you only listed two games from that year in your rebuttal.

 

[RonBurgundy]

This is really starting to piss me off. You want gagging PSU in the Top 10? How about they fuckkng EARN it. 0 wins against P4 while we have 3.

 

[Gonzo]

Did the post mean after the 2016 season? Because you only listed two games from that year in your rebuttal.

Not the way he presented it as "Since 2016..." That means including 2016. Even if it doesn't he left off #10 Boise.

 

[Gonzo]

It's a lot easier to look up their schedule of when they played than cross reference their losses with the final AP poll.

SMU not a top 10 win per your criteria so they really have almost none.

Find all their final poll top 10 wins since 2016...I bet it's hardly any compared to any other teams that are always top 10 like Alabama or Ohio State or Georgia.


Here's my comp of ranked wins again of ISU vs a team that is always ranked about #7 over four years:
Team A:
38-10 over #10 (home)
21-7 over #19 (home)
31-0 over #24 (home)
35-21 over #8 (neutral)

Team B:
24-21 over #17 (neutral)
21-20 over #21 (road)
29-21 over #24 (home)
42-41 over #13 (netural)
42-35 over #19 (road)

I'm not disagreeing with you there.

 

[Statefan10]

Not the way he presented it as "Since 2016..." That means including 2016. Even if it doesn't he left off #10 Boise.

Jesus. I’ll say the exact same thing except I’ll say the right year. 2017. Does that make it better for you? lol

 

[HFCS]

This is really starting to piss me off. You want gagging PSU in the Top 10? How about they fuckkng EARN it. 0 wins against P4 while we have 3.

I think Penn State is typically a 12-20 type of program that almost always gets ranked 5-12.

They get a ton credit for "close losses" and "good losses" that are just complete negatives for any team that doesn't have a media jerkoff brand...and they don't ever just go out and crush good teams like the Ohio States and Alabamas of the world to back up why they have this brand that is fawned over.

 

[HFCS]

Jesus. I’ll say the exact same thing except I’ll say the right year. 2017. Does that make it better for you? lol

They're ALWAYS ranked in the top 10. Their win % should be close to 50%, not 10%.

 

[Gonzo]

Jesus. I’ll say the exact same thing except I’ll say the right year. 2017. Does that make it better for you? lol

Well that almost makes it accurate, he still missed #10 Boise, lol.

 

[SeventhSon]

So when they do beat teams ranked in the top-10 we can just disregard if we don't agree with the ranking?

And yeah as I pointed out they had two top-10 wins in 2016 alone.

It starts out "Since 2016..." I.e. not inclusive.

If they intended inclusive, they would've said "From 2016..." or something.

Yes, it might be a case of mild cherry-picking but it still seems to be accurate. And it does make some sense as 2017 would have been the first year where it could be argued the team was "all his recruits".

 

[rosshm16]

I'll be interested to see how many of these one loss teams the SEC and Big Ten media folks put in front of undefeated Iowa State tomorrow.

Texas
Penn State
LSU
Georgia
Bama
Tenn

I think of it as the "Big 12 Tax": subtract one loss from any Big 10 or SEC team when trying to figure out where most AP Poll voters will slot them in around any Big 12 teams.

 

[SeventhSon]

Not the way he presented it as "Since 2016..." That means including 2016.

What if I said "Since that time I broke my leg, I've managed to stay out of the hospital." Did I go to the hospital when I broke my leg or not?

 

[rosshm16]

Whether not the year referred to by "Since..." gets included or excluded depends on if it makes my argument stronger or not!

 

[harimad]

If Texas didn’t convert a 4th and 13 against a Big 12 opponent, the SEC would have been 1-3 in the playoffs.

But hey its unequivocal what the SEC laid down right? The league went 10-6 yesterday. I guess that's unequivocal.