CMC's Best vs Mac/Chiz/CPR's Best
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Troy Davis was a 2 time Heisman finalist including 2nd place
Compare college production between the two and it’s VERY close (closer than I expected initially) who was the better RB. Nonetheless, you are entitled to an opinion.
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Touchdowns are a metric. Who had more tds in their 3 years? I’m not going to look but if it’s not Breece I’m sure it’s close.
5.6 for TD vs 5.7 Yards/carry for BH in ISU career. 4400 yards and 2x heisman finalist for TD in “2 seasons.” 4000 yards for BH in 3 seasons.
56 TDs for BH and 41 for TD.
Both 2x AA.
BH had the benefit of multiple offensive weapons on his team, TD did not.
The defense knew TD was getting the rock and couldn’t stop him.
I’ll agree BH is second best RB in ISU history ahead of DC, EH, DD, DM and all others.
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And arguably should have won in '96. Wuerffel had a great season, but main advantage was being QB on a national championship team.
To be fair, Hall probably should've ranked higher than 6th in 2020. He led the nation in rushing yards, on a 9-3 B12 reg season champ/B12T game runner-up, and Fiesta Bowl team. Yeah, pandemic season and all that, yada yada.
Except team 1 had the Big 12 North, which for much of its time was pretty bad. And they largely were not competitive against the good teams.
I don’t think the average SOS in the Mac, Chiz and Rhoads era was necessarily better. But even if it was, the results were also significantly worse. Getting blasted by 70 by peak Baylor or KSU vs competing with and beating Riley’s OU teams is a pretty massive difference.
The 2000 team won 9 games and beat exactly zero ranked teams. Not many years that’s possible for team 2.
At Iowa State the careers are remarkably similar.
The tiebreaker for me is the NFL careers, which tips it pretty easily to Breece.
Don’t think there is a wrong answer here.
I don't think some people realize just how good Troy was. He played on some bad teams and was literally our main form of offense. Every team we played knew it and tried to gameplan to slow him down but he still ran for 2000+ yards in consecutive years. He did have some good offensive line play but he also read the defenses and found the holes to run through both inside and on the outside and could beat defenders once he got past the 2nd level. Had a little bit of Derrick Henry to him too as he could lay out a good stiff arm. One of his impressive games where you saw a little of everything from him:
TD vs BH is just another Jordan vs LeBron debate.
Old heads will never think someone can be as good as their favorite player from their youth.
Young people can’t accept that some players back then were really good athletes, too.
I think that if I was going to start a football team from scratch, I’d rather have BH given the freak athleticism.. but it doesn’t mean TD isn’t incredibly good. Honestly TD would probably be a better fit for the 2026 team given what it sounds like our offense is going to be.
Old heads will never think someone can be as good as their favorite player from their youth.
Young people can’t accept that some players back then were really good athletes, too.
I think that if I was going to start a football team from scratch, I’d rather have BH given the freak athleticism.. but it doesn’t mean TD isn’t incredibly good. Honestly TD would probably be a better fit for the 2026 team given what it sounds like our offense is going to be.
I think these teams are a push.
Its always hard to appreciate the quality of players before your time. Troy was an unstoppable force. Seneca was a magician. I also heard that Babe Ruth was a helluva hitter and a superb athlete. But in the old pictures he just looks to me like a pudgy guy with a pig nose.
Its always hard to appreciate the quality of players before your time. Troy was an unstoppable force. Seneca was a magician. I also heard that Babe Ruth was a helluva hitter and a superb athlete. But in the old pictures he just looks to me like a pudgy guy with a pig nose.
It's definitely close. TD had the benefit of being behind a great O-Line, but he shrugged off arm tackles like flies and was exceptional at one-cut and getting up the field in spaces where it didn't look like there was room. And he was at top speed very quickly after a cut.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Breece would have been as deadly in the same scenario. Those teams were designed to run the ball and were damn good at it. Likewise, if you gave Davis better weapons at skill positions around him to make defenses split their focus, watch out.
We're lucky to have had them both in cardinal and gold (and tertiary blue
)Breece played a 13 game schedule, Troy did his damage with only 11 games. Troy averaged more yards per carry than Breece over two years (both were primary ball carriers their sophomore and junior seasons). Breece had way more receiving yards, that stat is not even close.
In an all star team context, I'm still going with Troy. I think Troy would have been ever better with more weapons around him, especially at QB.
