Not even close. They wouldn't be able to move the ball because of the offensive line.
CMC's Best vs Mac/Chiz/CPR's Best
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Team 2 has the advantage at the skill positions. OL and all of the defense leans toward Team 1.
Which surprises me because we had much more success under Campbell. Was the 'culture' thing real?
Which surprises me because we had much more success under Campbell. Was the 'culture' thing real?
Well, I mean you have way, way more players to choose from for team 1
Not nearly as top heavy of a league. Mac/CPR/Chiz had Bob Stoops OU teams at their peak, Mac Brown Texas teams at their peak, Nebraska at the end of their peak, Art Briles Baylor at their peak, Mike Leach Texas Tech, Bill Snyder Kansas State.
Obviously not all of those were occurring at the same time, but most of them were better than the best opponents Matt Campbell faced (Patterson TCU, Lincoln Riley OU, Mike Gundy OkSt, Matt Rhule Baylor)
The benefit Mac had was playing an automatic win Baylor and not having to play UT and OU every year.
Last sentence is key. The only really good years we had were when we missed UT and OU. Campbell's early teams played ( & beat) some pretty good UT and OU teams. Overall, your point is not without merit, but think it's a bit more nuanced.
Did you grow up a hawk fan or simply not going to football games in the mid 90s?
There’s no wrong answer, just curious
Team 1 is 20 years of players. Team 2 is 10. I'd still take Team 2 but there were a lot of great players in both eras.
Team 2 wins by a landslide. Breece was a better RB than TD was, and i dont think its all that close
I never saw TD play, but to put up the numbers he did when there wasn’t one other single threat on the field has to count for something. Everyone knew he was getting the ball and there was nothing they could do to stop him
Difference was CMC's teams were rarely blown out. They were in the game even against highly rated teams. An example was in 2018 against Kyler Murray's Oklahoma team. I went expecting a bloodbath but ISU kept it within 10 or so all game despite a highlight reel performance by Murray. As we got better players, we won some of those games. That's why CMC had the best conference record.
TD could carry the rock 50 times a game, no problem. He would also wallop blitzing linebackers. If you put Troy on an all star team from the Mac, Chiz, CPR era, he would be even more dangerous as you can't assign 9 guys to him like teams tried to do (and they still couldn't stop him), you would have to worry about Blythe, Lazard, and a dual threat QB like Seneca Wallace. Troy would be even more dangerous in that scenario.
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don't forget Gary Pinkel at Missouri, they had some great teams. Mike Gundy at OSU probably had better teams in the Chizik/Rhoads era than the Campbell era. And Texas A and M was tough enough.
Name one other skill player from those teams opponents had to prep for…? Maybe Ed Williams, maybe….
TD obviously was legendary. Were the OLs for those teams better than they get credit? I have almost no idea, can't remember those rosters in depth and honestly my interest in ISU FB had waned a bit from early '90s until late '90s.
This was a fun exercise. I was surprised how much talent team 1 was able to start. It is crazy to think how bad we were for so many years when we did have some talent. I think team 2 has some generational talent that we maybe don’t yet fully appreciate. Forever Cyclone teams had a disadvantage at QB versus our opponents, that changed with Brock. I also agree with CW and BB that Breece is maybe the most talented player ever at ISU. The shear success on the pro level says something about the skill players on team 2. For those reasons I’m picking team 2.
Don’t be a ****. Breece Hall is a better running back than both the Davis brothers and it’s not close. Don’t let your nostalgia get in the way.
Troy is a better bowling ball than Breece, but Breece is faster, has equal if not better vision, was just as shifty and elusive (he made people miss from further away with more agile cuts), and he is a significantly better receiver out of the backfield. I’m pretty sure Breece led the P5 in broken tackles for 2 straight years and was a first team AA too.
