CMC's Best vs Mac/Chiz/CPR's Best
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I think you are showing your age young Grasshopper.
Blum brought this up the other day, Lazard flat out said if the rules now were the rules then, he would have transferred. He is a CPR guy.
He can make a case but I would still have TD over Breece.
Team 2 is running a 3-3 stack against an extremely mobile QB and a bludgeoning running game. The 2 kryptonites of that defensive scheme.
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Breece had the benefit of better offensive lines to run behind, and a better offensive scheme so that it wasn't all dependent on Breece.
Davis didn't have those advantages. Everyone knew he would get the ball and yet they couldn't stop him.
It is always going to be an argument on who was the best. Coming in second in the Heisman makes my decision on who was the best of the two, but that is not a knock on Breece.
A case could be made Jalen Travis should probably replace Campos, but JT was only here for one year, so i went Campos here. He's probably the most talented OL in the CMC era.
Team 1 has better OL.
Team 2 would throw the ball effectively.
Would be a HELL of a fun thing to watch.
Maybe I'm just an old head but I think team 1 would win by several scores. Team 2 probably has the better overall skill talent but that offensive line would get demolished so bad that the skill players would be useless (see Tampa vs KC superbowl)
Just coming here to say this. Those are the two best DT's Iowa State has ever had. Both high level NFL players.
You can't just yadda yadda away the offensive line. That o-line would be a good but not great college o-line but would be the worst NFL o-line maybe ever.
Meyer was a much better college QB than Rosenfels. He held most of Iowa State's records until Purdy came along. Rosenfels barely hit 50 percent of his passes and threw more INTs than TD passes both as a junior and senior.
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I think the only position where team 1 is better than Team 2 is at LB. I think team 2 is the superior team in every other phase of the game. And you didn't even mention perhaps the best CB of both groups, Jontez Williams.
I was going to say James Reed is probably the best DT of that era IMO. Jordan Carstens eventually replaced Harklau after he graduated and was already taking some of his snaps his freshman year too so I would even put Carstens ahead of Harklau. Rubin definately another one that was missed, I think him and Reed would probably be my top 2 at DT.
Agree on Sage too and Dobbins is another solid choice at LB.
Team 1 would have John Skladany as DC who was a pretty good DC for Mac. Would be a heck of a fun time watching Skladany and Heacock game plan against each other's rosters.
The next question is who is coaching each team. Obviously CMC and CJH for head coach and DC on team 2, but who is OC? As for team 1 who fills what role? D Mac is probably the best option for HC. Can CPR or Chiz serve as DC? They are both probably better at DC than HC. Does it have to be someone who served as a corridinator at ISU during that era? Are we then looking at Wally Burnham? What about OC?
Team 1 OC has to be Steve Loney and DC John Skadany IMO. Wally probably my 2nd choice at OC. Rhoads was a DB coach under Mac so if you wanted to get really creative and micro he would qualify for a position coach
Really fun to think through this. I guess I’ll go against the grain here because I think Team 2 clears. Probably because I don’t really remember a lot of the early Mac guys.
The only position Team 1 is significantly better is at OL. Anywhere else Team 1 is better (RB, LB) there isn’t a huge drop off. Whereas Team 2 is significantly better at WR, TE, maybe DL and ST.
The only position Team 1 is significantly better is at OL. Anywhere else Team 1 is better (RB, LB) there isn’t a huge drop off. Whereas Team 2 is significantly better at WR, TE, maybe DL and ST.
