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Dgilbertson

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Just seems odd to me of the timing. I don't think we would have still gotten a 3 seed if they'd known he was definitely out, becuase it was a shock to even the network guys and I think all of us fans.

That interview with CW last week, he literally said it jsut depends on how it's feeling that particular day. So I don't know how you go from that to completely out 4 days later. We might not even need him for another 12 days, so who's to say he won't feel better then? This is not me just throwing darts, he literally said that himself.
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You must have me confused, I haven't said anything at all about them, nor do I care about them.
Point of information: I do believe that under your prior name you posted about various K State things. Around the time that Dave here was stanning for Surly (or perhaps a bit before that). Merely a point of information--no further commentary will be forthcoming.
 

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Just seems odd to me of the timing. I don't think we would have still gotten a 3 seed if they'd known he was definitely out, becuase it was a shock to even the network guys and I think all of us fans.

That interview with CW last week, he literally said it jsut depends on how it's feeling that particular day. So I don't know how you go from that to completely out 4 days later. We might not even need him for another 12 days, so who's to say he won't feel better then? This is not me just throwing darts, he literally said that himself.
No team that wants to play and make a run in the NCAA tournament should have a game-by-game starting lineup in mid March. Maybe Gilbert wanted to be allowed to take it easy in practice but still play substantial minutes in games based on how his leg felt that day—this is a more plausible "What really happened" theory than some of the extreme ones being floated. Or maybe he has a severe groin strain, and while he can force himself to run and jump in spurts, he's so in his own head about stepping or falling awkwardly that he's not able to read and react to defense like he did when playing at his best, nor run the offense decisively. I'm quickly falling into the camp of Who cares. The reason really doesn't matter. Why? Because if there were actual culture/locker-room issues there's no way the team would've held it together this long. The uncertainty seems to be isolated to one player. The staff clearly believes the team will benefit from not having to wonder every day for (hopefully) the next two weeks if and when Gilbert may play, for how long, and whether or not they'll be on the same page as him, assuming he's been limited in practice for some time. Nothing in March is guaranteed, but that should be better for the team
 
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Dgilbertson

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Point of information: I do believe that under your prior name you posted about various K State things. Around the time that Dave here was stanning for Surly (or perhaps a bit before that). Merely a point of information--no further commentary will be forthcoming.
May the record show that I regret stanning for Surly?

My lack of exposure saw them as a good will poster of a rival and the vitriol they produced as unwarranted.

I beseech the CF high court to absolve me of these wrongs.

I’m more seasoned and can spot the idiots easier now as I see I was/am still one.

I will humbly accept the CFHC’s ruling. Thank you.
 

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We already know TJ lied or withheld information from the selection committee to protect our 3 seed. There's no other reason to publicly announce this 10 minutes after our bracket drops. If he's not telling the truth about that then I'm very inclined to believe he's not telling the truth to the public also about Gilbert.
What exactly does it matter in the whole scheme of things regarding why we got to this point? You want to see Gilbert humiliated publicly? You want to see barbs thrown in the public between players, staff and trainers? I understand from your posting history that you love drama and want to see things burn down when there is the slightest bit of adversity. However, that is typically not the way successful people, businesses or programs work. Bottom line is that we don't have Gilbert which will alleviate questions about the roles for the other 8-9 players moving forward throughout the tournament and the team/staff can implement a specific game plan without wondering if KG will or won't play. There is always more to the story, but the bottom line is that you are not entitled to that information and it wouldn't change a damn thing if you knew 100%.
 

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Just seems odd to me of the timing. I don't think we would have still gotten a 3 seed if they'd known he was definitely out, becuase it was a shock to even the network guys and I think all of us fans.

That interview with CW last week, he literally said it jsut depends on how it's feeling that particular day. So I don't know how you go from that to completely out 4 days later. We might not even need him for another 12 days, so who's to say he won't feel better then? This is not me just throwing darts, he literally said that himself.
Maybe they just decided as a team to shut him down so there are no more questions about will he play or won't he, if so, how much, how much can he practice etc. This way they can prepare going forward by preparing Kelderman, Watson and maybe even Nojus for a few minutes in practice. This is the time of year we have all been waiting for so the fewer questions the better. Go Clones!
 

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Maybe they just decided as a team to shut him down so there are no more questions about will he play or won't he, if so, how much, how much can he practice etc. This way they can prepare going forward by preparing Kelderman, Watson and maybe even Nojus for a few minutes in practice. This is the time of year we have all been waiting for so the fewer questions the better. Go Clones!
That seems easy to plan around for when considering a guy of Gilbert’s status with the team and potential.

Look, Duke can’t know copper flagg’s status each game so best to just not bring him? I don’t understand people saying this at all. This is perhaps the most common issue in all of sports to deal with.
 

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I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means, I just think we aren't being told what actually happened and this is how the ISU PR department has instructed both TJ and Keshon to handle it publicly.
Who says we have the right to be told. What we know is that he is not playing so let's move on. And I think TJ says what he wants, not what a PR department tells him.
 

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That seems easy to plan around for when considering a guy of Gilbert’s status with the team and potential.

Look, Duke can’t know copper flagg’s status each game so best to just not bring him? I don’t understand people saying this at all. This is perhaps the most common issue in all of sports to deal with.
Anyone that has watched him lately let alone scouted him knows he hasn't been well and can tell something is injured. Even the BYU game, while he played tremendous defense with 8 steals, he shot 4 for 13 and had trouble finishing at the rim. I think he gutted it out for senior night and the #4 seed and double bye in the Big 12 tourney. Who knows maybe he reaggravated in that game.
 

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If Keshon is a full participant in draft/pro scouting, I'll have LOTS of questions..

If he is a limited or non-participant in pro scouting this offseason, it confirms to me that he is really hurt and this is a non-story
Or he wanted to maximize his recovery time so he could perform at his best because his future livelihood is at stake.
 

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“No longer a part of the team.” Not surprising when you take everything into context.
 

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That seems easy to plan around for when considering a guy of Gilbert’s status with the team and potential.

Look, Duke can’t know copper flagg’s status each game so best to just not bring him? I don’t understand people saying this at all. This is perhaps the most common issue in all of sports to deal with.
No one’s saying he shouldn’t travel, though he may choose not to if he disagrees with being shut down. Continuity matters in basketball. A lack of it is a big reason this team has struggled. It’s intuitive, but regardless, Otz has explicitly said you can’t just plug someone in because they’re cleared by the training staff and expect the team to do the same things it did before in the same way. This isn’t subbing a DH or 1B into a lineup for a few games. Duke can do what they want with Flagg, but 1. taking the season as a whole he’s in a different galaxy than Gilbert, so even at 70% his presence would be more impactful, and 2. if they go game by game it will absolutely affect the team as the tournament progresses. Every team has injuries and will have to decide if they’re going to fly by the seat of their pants or give other players certainty in their roles. Now that you mention it, I’m interested to see how Duke and Tech perform, among other teams. We’ll have a real-time experiment, Iowa State going one direction, and other teams perhaps taking things as they come lineup-wise
 

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No one’s saying he shouldn’t travel, though he may choose not to if he disagrees with being shut down. Continuity matters in basketball. A lack of it is a big reason this team has struggled. It’s intuitive, but regardless, Otz has explicitly said you can’t just plug someone in because they’re cleared by the training staff and expect the team to do the same things it did before in the same way. This isn’t subbing a DH or 1B into a lineup for a few games. Duke can do what they want with Flagg, but 1. taking the season as a whole he’s in a different galaxy than Gilbert, so even at 70% his presence would be more impactful, and 2. if they go game by game it will absolutely affect the team as the tournament progresses. Every team has injuries and will have to decide if they’re going to fly by the seat of their pants or give other players certainty in their roles. Now that you mention it, I’m interested to see what Duke and Tech do, among others. We’ll have a real-time experiment, Iowa State going one direction, and other teams perhaps taking things as they come
That’s the thing, it’s an experiment because nobody does the second one. It’s not a thing.
 
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