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stewart092284

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SolterraCyclone said:
Also, picking a QB in the 3rd or 4th round to be your starter year one (or even future years) is not a reliable strategy. The only franchise I can recall where that worked was Seattle with Wilson. And they stumbled into that after signing Flynn in the offseason.

Other later round picks who became starters had to earn their way to that spot and usually after a few years as backups. Certainly they weren’t expected to be franchise QBs after being drafted.
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It is if you hit it right and get the guy with a good team.

Nick Foles won a superbowl and was super bowl MVP
Colt McCoy played 13 seasons in the league, wasn't terrible.
Matt Schuab had a pretty good run with the Texans

And you wouldn't be with the Giants going all in. I'd have them compete with Drew Locke.

You're already selling what... Sanders as the savior? With that regime? No.

I'm cleaning house, building up from the studs and taking a long term approach, not bringing in a rookie QB to die in year 1 without talent and an OL around him
 
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I'm a pretty firm believer that sacks are a quarterback stat. Obviously, that's not completely true, both the offensive line and OC have roles to play as well.

While it's certainly true that bad o-lines will lead to more pressure, the quarterback often (but not always) determines whether those pressures turn into sacks.
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I think it's certainly true when it comes to taking sacks. It's a combo of OC, QB, OL, and to a lesser extent WR/TE.

But with Sanders it isn't simply sacks. It's his percentage of plays under pressure are very high, which is a stat that does not have to do with what the QB does, but something the QB has to deal with. To be 74%/37/10 when under that much pressure is pretty impressive.

But he absolutely takes too many sacks, as his sack to pressure rate is very high. That stat is definitely mostly on him, along with the OC.

I just don't like the QBs this year. Going in to last year I loved Daniels and Nix, and I thought Williams, Maye, McCarthy and Penix would all have a chance to play well. I don't really like any of this years QBs at all. I probably liked all 6 of last years QBs better than any this year.
 
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stewart092284 said:
It is if you hit it right and get the guy with a good team.

Nick Foles won a superbowl and was super bowl MVP
Colt McCoy played 13 seasons in the league, wasn't terrible.
Matt Schuab had a pretty good run with the Texans

And you wouldn't be with the Giants going all in. I'd have them compete with Drew Locke.

You're already selling what... Sanders as the savior? With that regime? No.

I'm cleaning house, building up from the studs and taking a long term approach, not bringing in a rookie QB to die in year 1 without talent and an OL around him
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I agree that it’s possible, but it’s not usually the plan to have those guys become the QB in year one ( or really in the future).

If you have a mid first round pick and need a QB, like the Colts for instance, I’m with you, take a great player at a position of need and take a flyer on a QB during a later round.

The Raiders and Giants don’t have that luxury imo. There’s going to be intense pressure to get a QB solution in place to provide hope from both ownership and fans. Both those coaches and GMs are on the hot seat big time next year. They won’t be able to sell Kyle McCord in the 3rd round to stakeholders.
 
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SolterraCyclone said:
I agree that it’s possible, but it’s not usually the plan to have those guys become the QB in year one ( or really in the future).

If you have a mid first round pick and need a QB, like the Colts for instance, I’m with you, take a great player at a position of need and take a flyer on a QB during a later round.

The Raiders and Giants don’t have that luxury imo. There’s going to be intense pressure to get a QB solution in place to provide hope from both ownership and fans. Both those coaches and GMs are on the hot seat big time next year. They won’t be able to sell Kyle McCord in the 3rd round to stakeholders.
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Here's why - especially with the Giants I don't take a QB year 1.


A) I don't really like any of them. Like, how much better is Sanders or Ward than McCord, Jennings or Howard? A little bit, sure... but significant? IDK.

B) For the Giants in particular, I potentially have a lame duck GM and head coach. What do most GM's and HC's like doing? Drafting a QB. So unless Daboll is gonna be here for 3 years, I don't want to draft a young Q super early. I want to build a strong foundation so either I can draft a young QB to take me up a level next year or B, have a better foundation for the new team (HC/GM) that might be in place next year.

C) I just invested in a QB over a RB and had it back fire. I've got Nabers. If I can build around him, improve the OL, RB room - we just saw Sam Darnold go 14-3. Heck, maybe I sign Sam Darnold sol to be my bridge.

I've got Drew Locke, form 2nd round pick. If I get a Darnold or mid round pick to compete... I like the foundation of the house more than swinging for a quarterback don't love .


Raiders, Raiders are a different scenario. 100% I'd take a quarterback there.
 
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stewart092284 said:
Here's why - especially with the Giants I don't take a QB year 1.


A) I don't really like any of them. Like, how much better is Sanders or Ward than McCord, Jennings or Howard? A little bit, sure... but significant? IDK.

B) For the Giants in particular, I potentially have a lame duck GM and head coach. What do most GM's and HC's like doing? Drafting a QB. So unless Daboll is gonna be here for 3 years, I don't want to draft a young Q super early. I want to build a strong foundation so either I can draft a young QB to take me up a level next year or B, have a better foundation for the new team (HC/GM) that might be in place next year.

C) I just invested in a QB over a RB and had it back fire. I've got Nabers. If I can build around him, improve the OL, RB room - we just saw Sam Darnold go 14-3. Heck, maybe I sign Sam Darnold sol to be my bridge.

I've got Drew Locke, form 2nd round pick. If I get a Darnold or mid round pick to compete... I like the foundation of the house more than swinging for a quarterback don't love .


Raiders, Raiders are a different scenario. 100% I'd take a quarterback there.
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Valid points. I’ll rebut and then I’ll agree to disagree

I agree, the GM and HC are lame ducks, but they’re the ones who will be making the personnel decisions. The Mara’s won’t be involved in personnel decisions and are reasonable owners. But they’ll demand results. You have the 3rd pick, you can sell hope better with a first-round QB who’s a top pick over a Darnold signing or certainly over riding into 2025 with wash-out journeyman Drew Locke + 3rd round pick.

I don’t know if Sanders or Ward will end up being better than a McCord or Dart or whoever. NFL QBs are kind of a coin flip with so many outside variables that can impact success. But the Giants need to show an optimistic plan moving forward. Going 8-9 with Sanders or Ward will look a look a lot better than an 8-9 with Darnold + a 3rd round QB backup.

Look at the Bears. They had an absolute atrocious year. But I think their fans have at least a more optimistic outlook on the future with Williams as the QB versus a journeyman vet and like a Spencer Rattler heading into next year.
 
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The QB free agent and trade market is going to be thin.

Darnold will be coveted. But the Vikings might just resign him and either stash McCarthy as a long-term development piece or trade him and plan to build around Darnold now.

Russell Wilson is a FA, but I imagine Pittsburgh brings him back.

Justin Fields is a FA. He might be the best guy hitting the open market.

Trades?

The aforementioned McCarthy... never played a snap in the NFL and coming off a knee injury.

Geno Smith? He's 35 and the definition of "mid."

Old dudes like Cousins, Rodgers, and Carr might be cut, but none of them are particularly sexy.

A few guys are going to get over-drafted just because there isn't much else available. Not exactly a shocker here, but above-average QBs are almost never available on the FA market or the trade block.

Essentially the only way you can get 'em is to draft 'em or hope the Jets draft 'em for you.
 
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SolterraCyclone said:
Valid points. I’ll rebut and then I’ll agree to disagree

I agree, the GM and HC are lame ducks, but they’re the ones who will be making the personnel decisions. The Mara’s won’t be involved in personnel decisions and are reasonable owners. But they’ll demand results. You have the 3rd pick, you can sell hope better with a first-round QB who’s a top pick over a Darnold signing or certainly over riding into 2025 with wash-out journeyman Drew Locke + 3rd round pick.

I don’t know if Sanders or Ward will end up being better than a McCord or Dart or whoever. NFL QBs are kind of a coin flip with so many outside variables that can impact success. But the Giants need to show an optimistic plan moving forward. Going 8-9 with Sanders or Ward will look a look a lot better than an 8-9 with Darnold + a 3rd round QB backup.

Look at the Bears. They had an absolute atrocious year. But I think their fans have at least a more optimistic outlook on the future with Williams as the QB versus a journeyman vet and like a Spencer Rattler heading into next year.
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So very valid but two quick points and then like you said, agree to disagree.


1) I don't think any Giants fans see hope with the current regime in place, no matter who they draft. That's also part of why I don't take a QB high, cause I don't him coming into that hornet's nest. Playing in NYC is hard enough, coming in when you're expected to the savior of not just a bad team but a dysfunctional franchise?

2) Bears... IDK. My uncle's a ticket holder for the Bears and while he likes Williams... he also liked Fields, and before that, like Trubisky early on. He has no faith in that organization overall though but has been a fan all his life. And that actually is my point with the Giants I guess. Draft Mitch (too high) but good early success. Fire the coach, GM, etc... bring in Fields. Promising player. Some success but not sustained, fire the coach, etc... now Williams.
 
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Pretty sure I know the answer to this but I’ll ask for confirmation. The six teams that lose next weekend will draft 19-24. Is this strictly determined by record or would a division winner with a weaker record that loses in the WC round draft before or after a WC with a better record that also loses there first round matchup?

I’m assuming the WC team with the better record and lesser seed gets screwed again.
 
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Cyforce said:
Pretty sure I know the answer to this but I’ll ask for confirmation. The six teams that lose next weekend will draft 19-24. Is this strictly determined by record or would a division winner with a weaker record that loses in the WC round draft before or after a WC with a better record that also loses there first round matchup?

I’m assuming the WC team with the better record and lesser seed gets screwed again.
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All teams that lose this coming weekend will be slotted in positions 19-24 based on their regular season record.
 
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I’d take Higgins over Ebuka, Burden is injury prone, McMillian pads stats against bad teams, Hunter is a CB. Higgins is clearly WR1 in the draft.
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Not sure about that. WR gets paid more https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr...erbacks//RK=2/RS=uFNuwIDOMJel4toFq9XfQtiYNPk-

May depend on which team drafts him. https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr...erbacks//RK=2/RS=uFNuwIDOMJel4toFq9XfQtiYNPk-


Having said all of that, I see more talk of him being a CB who can play some WR snaps.
 
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