ESPN bias

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It’s always been there and a major driver. They’re just allowed to say the quiet part out loud now.
I never really minded the talk about the spread because it gave them a baseline that they could use when talking about the game. Which team is better? Are they [the spread] better than the other team? Etc. I do hate how blatant it is now though.
 

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Let's take a step back to just a few coaching generations ago, which was pre-internet, pre-iphone, pre-apps, pre-TV conference contracts etc, and think about the content that is now available to anyone who wants it, if you're a fan of college bball.

*Every P4 game is on tv/internet
*You can listen to your local radio game broadcast no matter where you live, from a device in your pocket
*If you're not watching live, you have access to real-time stats on a device in your pocket for every game
*If something amazing/funny/controversial happens, video is available immediately and viral on social media
*Every pre-game/post-game interview/press conference with players/coaches from both teams is online
*If you miss all of that, a dozen college basketball specific podcasts then analyze everything daily either that evening or early next morning.
*If you don't like any of those national podcasts, then (in our case) CF/Iowa everywhere cover it within 24 hrs
*A gazillion websites then have rankings, takes, and takes on others rankings
*Multiple sophisticated statisticians have quantitative rankings that are then updated nearly real-time, and discussed daily on the same podcasts/websites/youtube etc.
*There's 30+ bracket projections available, again, updated daily

(And then someone goes to an anonymous internet fan forum to complain about "bias" or "production quality" or which highlights are shown on cable tv. I find that hilarious.)

We live in incredible times if you're a sports fan - the amount of information and content that is being generated 24/7 for a single sport is amazing! I have zero complaints -it's all awesome to me.
 
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Sports Center has no ISU highlights. Duke was given extensive coverage twice in the first 20 minutes. #6 and #7 highlights. Indoor golf twice. Even Iowa Nebraska game highlights. Unbelievable.
And this is surprising because ???
Not only has Duke been the ESPN darling for decades, they also have the #1 pick on their team so of course they're getting prime highlights.
Nebraska-Iowa went to OT so obviously they'd get precedent over a boring Iowa State blowout over Utah.

The Cyclones will get their due but nothing of note has happened with them since before the Holidays, since Maui really. They're almost boringly good right now and haven't really gotten into the meat of their conference schedule yet.
 

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We live in incredible times if you're a sports fan - the amount of information and content that is being generated 24/7 for a single sport is amazing! I have zero complaints -it's all awesome to me.
Fans can find a lot of content for THEIR team, but they have to be motivated to look for it. The issue is there is still a demand for general sports coverage that highlights the sports stories of the day. It's easy for a fan to think that stories not covered in general content shows aren't important.
 

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Agree 100%. He is a really good player but is he a generational talent and a freakish athlete? Is he like Zion Williams?
I hope not, would suck if he was hurt constantly, had uncontrollable eating habits and never amounted to anything in the NBA.
 

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While CF is in the mood to ***** about ESPN (or National media) bias against ISU, somebody explain why Gonzaga constantly is highly rated preseason annually and then proceeds to play a few top teams prior to their conference games. They dominate a weak conference, have a very good record while naturally maintaining a high ranking, get a good seed in the NCAA tournament and then usually get “upset”. They remind me of the Iowa football program to some degree but with better results I guess.
 

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While CF is in the mood to ***** about ESPN (or National media) bias against ISU, somebody explain why Gonzaga constantly is highly rated preseason annually and then proceeds to play a few top teams prior to their conference games. They dominate a weak conference, have a very good record while naturally maintaining a high ranking, get a good seed in the NCAA tournament and then usually get “upset”. They remind me of the Iowa football program to some degree but with better results I guess.
Ehhh it's a lot better than Iowa football lol. They're an extremely good "mid-major". Last 9 seasons:

E8
S16
National Championship Runner Up
S16
E8
National Championship Runner Up
S16
E8
S16
 

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Ehhh it's a lot better than Iowa football lol. They're an extremely good "mid-major". Last 9 seasons:

E8
S16
National Championship Runner Up
S16
E8
National Championship Runner Up
S16
E8
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@swiacy yeah its actually quite the opposite of Iowa football.
 

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Ehhh it's a lot better than Iowa football lol. They're an extremely good "mid-major". Last 9 seasons:

E8
S16
National Championship Runner Up
S16
E8
National Championship Runner Up
S16
E8
S16
Yeah that looks actually very good but I’d be interested in how they were seeded those nine years and if they were taken out by a lower seed. Obviously getting in two finals in nine years exceeds anything the Hawkeye football program has accomplished.
 

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Yeah that looks actually very good but I’d be interested in how they were seeded those nine years and if they were taken out by a lower seed. Obviously getting in two finals in nine years exceeds anything the Hawkeye football program has accomplished.
We have been taken out by a lower seed in 5 of our last 8 appearances and one of those five was by a 10 seed (we were 11). So basically 6/8. Does that mean we are overrated?

What’s your point? They are a very very good program.
 

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I hope not, would suck if he was hurt constantly, had uncontrollable eating habits and never amounted to anything in the NBA.


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This is a bust? He hasn’t been healthy but he was very productive when he played
 

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This is a bust? He hasn’t been healthy but he was very productive when he played
He’s missed over 60% of regular season games in his career. If you’re only playing every 3rd game that means you’re a bust regardless of the numbers you have.

The best ability is availability
 
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swiacy

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We have been taken out by a lower seed in 5 of our last 8 appearances and one of those five was by a 10 seed (we were 11). So basically 6/8. Does that mean we are overrated?

What’s your point? They are a very very good program.
IMO they under perform in relationship to their seasonal rankings and tournament seedings. They are a good program but I’m not ready to throw a very or very very out there. Villanova, UConn, KU, NC, Kentucky are very very good. I’ll wait for the Zags NC.
 
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IMO they under perform in relationship to their seasonal rankings and tournament seedings. They are a good program but I’m not ready to throw a very or very very out there. Villanova, UConn, KU, NC, Kentucky are very very good. I’ll wait for the Zags NC.
The Kentucky program who hasn’t won a NC in 12 years and hasn’t been to a FF in 9 years? S16 since 2019? Oh and all of that with the most NBA draft picks?

You should direct that energy towards UK.
 
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He’s missed over 60% of regular season games in his career. If you’re only playing every 3rd game that means you’re a bust regardless of the numbers you have.

The best ability is availability
To me bust is someone like Adam Morrison and Tyler Handsbrough