Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

FriendlySpartan

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Many here state this concept, but I have to strongly disagree this will prevent a premier league from happening.

The NFL has LOTS of crappy teams with crappy records, and no one is looking to get out and it isn't killing ratings. Middle teams are facing off to make the playoffs, and that generates interest even if they aren't undefeated. A 20 team premier league can easily fill the 6-7 prime tv slots weekly, even if it has a couple stinker matchups every week.

What SHOULD prevent a premier league from happening is that a great number of viewers not tied to the premier teams will not watch - you eliminate half your audience. BUT tv/media folks may underestimate that, or may think they can overcome it in time, in their greed and desire to build a second NFL-like product.

Don't underestimate the stupidity and greed of the media powers that be, and the university personnel that are both afraid to be left behind and completely arrogant at the same time.
Can’t compare the two as the NFL is just socialism with the draft and a salary cap. Reason people tune in is because you can go from last in your division to first in a year. Cfb doesn’t have anything like that, and it takes a coaching change, horrible recruiting, followed by many bad seasons to fall from being on top.
 

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100%. There is no better fan base with better expertise in realignment than Big 12 fans, especially potential left-behinds ISU and KSU.

I thought it would be 15 years or so before teams like Purdue, Minnesota, Mississippi State, etc. would feel realignments wrath, but that timeline has moved up with the OU/WA move.

FYI to those afterthoughts in B10/SEC, you are not safe. Don’t get comfortable
I think this whole thing of "shedding teams", is being way over hyped.

What's the point? There are only a few blue bloods left to poach now. Who do you replace Northwestern or Vandy with? Their actual value to the TV deal is minimal. The heavies in each conference drive all of the TV contracts value.

And, you need inventory and reliably winnable games for the heavies in each conference to maximize exposure and playoff bids.
 
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Think about how much of this is lucky timing too. Obviously Oregon has still been good but if it was Chip Kelly Oregon years they're probably much more coveted, Georgia was good under Mark Few but never thought of as totally dominant, hell Bama went through a stretch of being mediocre, Clemson rose a lot under the current coach , Stanford went through a stretch of dominance not that long ago and hell who knows what Iowa looks like after Kirk (I think they will be fine but who knows).
 
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I watch the NFL. I don’t watch the lower leagues and I won’t watch a college super league that doesn’t include my school. I would say that a very high percentage of fans feel the same way as me. If TV executives don’t realize this, they will be in for a rude awakening if it ever happens.
Yeah I agree. I wouldn’t watch either (maybe the playoffs).

I’m not saying what I want to happen, just what I think will happen. I’d still watch ISU in a lower league though.
 
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But you’d think their value would decrease substantially if their record wasn’t very good in a mediocre conference.

You think Texas fans will stop watching the team in the SEC if they are sub 500 each year? I mean being mediocre in a mediocre conference didn’t stop fans from watching Texas.

Realignment is 100% about money. It’s been that way for 25 or so years, at the dawn of realignments
It’s not the Texas fans that are the concern. It is the millions of fans from other schools that watch Texas because there is an impact on their team as well. The fewer teams in the upper division, the fewer fans that will watch overall. It wont get NFL ratings if it is the size of the NFL because it will be an inferior product.
 
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If the ACC extends invites doesn't that open the door to reworking their TV deal and negating the current GoR?
Not sure that's right.

The GOR language states any schools added to the ACC must sign the GOR. That could mean the new schools would fall under existing ESPN media deal. Just like Big12's pro-rata language with ESPN, the ACC deal could have similar language.

I dount adding Cal & Stanford would give ACC leverage to cause ESPN to pay more than existing ACC TV deal.
 

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Can’t compare the two as the NFL is just socialism with the draft and a salary cap. Reason people tune in is because you can go from last in your division to first in a year. Cfb doesn’t have anything like that, and it takes a coaching change, horrible recruiting, followed by many bad seasons to fall from being on top.
Yeah but the Super League still would have tools at their disposal to create parity. This League will all have teams with comparable finances and resources and the transfer portal and NIL can make quick turnarounds easier.
 
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It’s not the Texas fans that are the concern. It is the millions of fans from other schools that watch Texas because there is an impact on their team as well. The fewer teams in the upper division, the fewer fans that will watch overall. It wont get NFL ratings if it is the size of the NFL because it will be an inferior product.
But again, Texas hasn’t been relevant for 10 years, yet people still watch Texas. If that were true, interest in Texas would had subsided by now
 

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But you’d think their value would decrease substantially if their record wasn’t very good in a mediocre conference.

You think Texas fans will stop watching the team in the SEC if they are sub 500 each year? I mean being mediocre in a mediocre conference didn’t stop fans from watching Texas.

Realignment is 100% about money. It’s been that way for 25 or so years, at the dawn of realignments
You're not understanding. In the Big 12 Texas could be mediocre on the field and have their value still thrive because they're the conference's top traditional blueblood and biggest college football brand. Even with so-so W/L records, they're still the program everyone talks about in the Big 12.

In a superconference with the likes of Bama, tOSU, Georgia, Michigan, LSU, Oklahoma, ND, USC, PSU, etc., if Texas turns in consistent .500 seasons, their value will not thrive. They will not be the program people are talking about. Their brand will take a major hit. Sure Texas fans will keep watching them. But the rest of the country will stop caring about them fast because they'll be in a conference with at least a half-dozen programs with equal or better brands that are winning.
 

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Yeah but the Super League still would have tools at their disposal to create parity. This League will all have teams with comparable finances and resources and the transfer portal and NIL can make quick turnarounds easier.
All that is in place now and their isn’t parity…
 

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You're not understanding. In the Big 12 Texas could be mediocre on the field and have their value still thrive because they're the conference's top traditional blueblood and biggest college football brand. Even with so-so W/L records, they're still the program everyone talks about in the Big 12.

In a superconference with the likes of Bama, tOSU, Georgia, Michigan, LSU, Oklahoma, ND, USC, PSU, etc., if Texas turns in consistent .500 seasons, their value will not thrive. They will not be the program people are talking about. Their brand will take a major hit. Sure Texas fans will keep watching them. But the rest of the country will stop caring about them fast because they'll be in a conference with at least a half-dozen programs with equal or better brands that are winning.
But in a super conference, the general public will have far more interest in all the games within that conference than if they played in a mediocre conference

Tell me… would you rather watch Texas vs Kansas or Texas vs USC?
 

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But again, Texas hasn’t been relevant for 10 years, yet people still watch Texas. If that were true, interest in Texas would had subsided by now
Yeah because before the last decade they were dominant and never had fewer then 10 wins. It takes a very long time to get rid of that blue blood label and halo effect. They are also still the largest and most prestigious university in one of the largest states in the country that also happens to be obsessed with football.
 

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But again, Texas hasn’t been relevant for 10 years, yet people still watch Texas. If that were true, interest in Texas would had subsided by now
Substitute “Texas” for any school in the super League. If there are 30 teams that are totally separate, half have to be losing teams. My point is that we watched Texas because they were in our conference. Their games impacted us. Will we care if they or others are in a completely separate league?
 

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But in a super conference, the general public will have far more interest in all the games within that conference than if they played in a mediocre conference

Tell me… would you rather watch Texas vs Kansas or Texas vs USC?
As a big 12 fan, Texas vs Kansas. That is my point.
 

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But in a super conference, the general public will have far more interest in all the games within that conference than if they played in a mediocre conference

Tell me… would you rather watch Texas vs Kansas or Texas vs USC?
If it’s texas losing to Kansas then that game every time.
 

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All that is in place now and their isn’t parity…
No. They aren’t composed entirely of peer schools with comparable advantages and resources. They don’t use an NFL scheduling model where good teams get tougher schedules. They aren’t regulating NIL. Etc.

The one that is the closest is the SEC and it has had the greatest parity of any conference. Tennessee was able to go from bottom dweller to CFP-contender overnight. Same with LSU.
 
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Yeah because before the last decade they were dominant and never had fewer then 10 wins. It takes a very long time to get rid of that blue blood label and halo effect. They are also still the largest and most prestigious university in one of the largest states in the country that also happens to be obsessed with football.
Yes. They are obsessed with football. If you didn’t know, the general population of texas has an obsession with football.

Fans of Texas will continue to be obsessed with football even if Texas continues to be mediocre. Nebraska is still selling out every home game. Their fans are obsessed with Nebraska football. Difference is that obsession is very regional; the population of Nebraska is quite small, so they don’t have the casual fan draw. Texas, on the other hand, has a huge population and draws even casual fans regardless of their record. Just like the Dallas cowboys.