Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[aeroclone]

To add to your point, if those schools added value for the big 12, they probably would have been added in the last decade at some point, or at least would have been considered in the last year. Any MWC school would have jumped at a big 12 offer, and will continue to, so there's no rush to invite them anyway.

And yeah, there will most definitely be ACC scraps leftover that'll be better options once the SEC\BIG rip them apart. Louisville, Pitt, etc.

Yep. The big boys left the B12. Now the big boys are fleeing the PAC. There is no reason not to expect the same to be coming for the ACC. The B12 should be in a position to become the best landing spot for anyone who doesn't land in the B1G or SEC. We should be reaching out to any Pac or ACC school who would allow us to maintain or increase our revenue as all this is playing out.

Solidify ourselves as the number 3 football league and maintain our hoops position and things will be fine for ISU. Sure we would prefer the B1G invite, but being in a clear 3rd strongest conference would be much better than the doomsday scenarios we have stared down in the last decade.

 

[sandmanonset]

Not necessarily. Every move made so far has been strictly about money. Cyhawk has some value as a brand in and of itself. As long as that brand is worth more than a 10th-11th-12th B1G conference game there is no incentive to kill it. And I think we're a ways away from that yet going by television numbers from the last couple of years.

That will depend on how many teams The B1G ends up with and what kind of conference schedule they want to have. I could easily see the series going away. Iowa's recent B1G money share was around $58mil. If the projected $100mil per year holds true, there would be very little financial incentive for Iowa to continue the series.

 

[CascadeClone]

They will try to get B12 schools first

They will try.

But we have the high ground, Anakin.

 

[iahawks]

Why is all the B1G fans on this board so sure that the B1G wont expand, wont grab more, that they wont do this or that. Do you all take everything your Commish says as Gospel? Last week you were SURE they wouldnt expand, because it didnt give you any advantage, and because Warren said, and no way they would go all the way to the West Coast. Kept telling me no way. Now you say oh they arent going to take Oregon or washington. blah blah. They are going to wait for ND and NC. Because you follow a guy on Twitter that says that, who has no grasp on reality and how a GOR works.

I'm not and not sure where you saw that in my post. If I'm the Big 10, I wait out the ACC and ND first before going after more Pac 12 teams. But again, I'm not in charge of the Big 10. Who really knows what they will do, but I feel they have the weight to throw around that Oregon and Washington will be there for the taking down the road if they strike out with the ACC and ND.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

They will try.

But we have the high ground, Anakin.

I think this is likely correct but I’m not certain.

And I know everyone on this board wants it to be the case out of self interest.

But some informed people like Frank the Tank disagree.

JP would be foolish not to consider a Pac invite if we aren’t confident that we are pulling in schools ourselves. We have to look out for us and if that means leaving behind a few conference mates to go create the Pac-16, so be it.

 

[Thinker]

Why do you spend all your time on an ISU board. I would think the MSU board would be blowing up about all of this today. Dont they like you there?

I find it strange the people like surly, you, all the hok fans that spend so much time here rather than on their own boards. I often wonder why that is. Is it because they are closet Cyclone fans? Is it because they are that disliked on their own fan boards? Is it because we live in their heads rent free so much? Really what is it? I have never been to a rival schools board. I have absolutely no need to, and absolutely no want to. I just don't understand it. Especially not to go and spend as much time as some to here.

Sometimes you guys give a little good conversation, most of the time it mostly trolling. Sometimes I think you try to come off sounding sincere but your bias to your school and conference still comes out to make it sound very trolling.

I realize we are all biased here, for ISU and the Big 12, but that is kind of the point this is an ISU board.

It is because some of the takes on here are far fetched at times and fascinating to read. If the PAC stays with 10 and tries to add other schools. I am not sure why OSU would not be part of a discussion to add a team. and then taking the Texas schools makes a ton of sense in getting a texas market in place before Fox negotiates a deal in 2024.

 

[tsirnickesqcy]

I think this is likely correct but I’m not certain.

And I know everyone on this board wants it to be the case out of self interest.

But some informed people like Frank the Tank disagree.

JP would be foolish not to consider a Pac invite if we aren’t confident that we are pulling in schools ourselves. We have to look out for us and if that means leaving behind a few conference mates to go create the Pac-16, so be it.

I agree. I just can’t figure out where all the optimism is coming from.

 

[CoKane]

Not to be a Debbie Downer here, but when has the Big 12 ever taken a team from a Power 5 conference? Most likely the PAC or even the ACC (and as a result new TV contracts) are getting ready to poach from the B12 again, sadly. I hope I’m wrong or if not I hope we are one of the teams getting poached.

Never, because we were always counter attacking being raided. Being aggressive is how we got the Big 12 to come together originally. If we're aggressive we will be fine

 

[JM4CY]

How am I supposed to stay focused on the dissolution of college football as we know it when you use the term boob. Now I'm distracted and considerably happier.

You’re good. Just keep typing with your boner like the trolls are.

 

[MartyFine]

They will try to get B12 schools first

Texas did not go to the PAC 12 because of travel/time zone issues a few years back. No current Big 12 member is going to impact a media rights deal to the point where that is not a concern.

 

[JM4CY]

Got a link for that? Never heard of anything along those lines.

Here’s a thought: you dont actually know everything.

 

[Trice]

I think this is likely correct but I’m not certain.

And I know everyone on this board wants it to be the case out of self interest.

But some informed people like Frank the Tank disagree.

JP would be foolish not to consider a Pac invite if we aren’t confident that we are pulling in schools ourselves. We have to look out for us and if that means leaving behind a few conference mates to go create the Pac-16, so be it.

Yeah, the amount of confidence on this board right now is pretty wild, particularly when you consider what we've been through the last decade. There's no such thing as solid ground.

 

[CoKane]

I agree. I just can’t figure out where all the optimism is coming from.

Its from finally having a shot at taking instead of defending and our new comish is supposedly someone who will do the attacking

 

[2speedy1]

Care to elaborate on what the Big 12 leftovers would be like? who matches Oregon and Washington?

Jesus man just look at the pay scales. We have been ahead for years. And with our adds after OUT were supposed to still be on even ground with both the PAC and ACC. Now they lost their 2 biggest brands...and you think they still are going to be close to the Big 12 on a pay scale?

Get a clue.

 

[AuH2O]

Care to elaborate on what the Big 12 leftovers would be like? who matches Oregon and Washington?

For the last two years if you normalize for level of network (ABC, Fox, ESPN vs. E2, FS1, etc.) and relative time slot, Okie St., Oregon and ISU are within <10% in viewership even if you take out OU and UT games. Leave those in and ISU and Okie State are better than every PAC team, USC included. Utah's not far behind, UW is a little behind, UCLA, Arizona Schools, CU aren't close.

ISU and Okie State are better TV draws than a lot of ACC. Okie State vs. Iowa State beat Notre Dame vs. Pitt head to head by about 400,000 viewers, both on network TV. That also says nothing of some of the turds in the Big 10 and SEC that don't draw.

Washington is super weird because they aren't that good on TV but they draw for home games. NC State is another kind of oddball like that. But a team's value to a conference is in media, not attendance. UW isn't great there.

If the media world keeps transitioning to models where people watching matters more and more vs. being in a market where people happen to have your games available as part of subscriptions, but don't watch, Oklahoma State and ISU become more and more valuable. Now, they have to keep fan interest up and win games.

Now if that transition in media slows, and the seismic shift happens in the next couple of years, ISU is in danger, especially when you consider the inability to compete in terms of NIL. The best chance ISU has is for there to be a semi-stable period of a few years, and an accelerated shift to new media models that will require people to actively seek out and pay for content.

 

[cyatheart]

I think this is likely correct but I’m not certain.

And I know everyone on this board wants it to be the case out of self interest.

But some informed people like Frank the Tank disagree.

JP would be foolish not to consider a Pac invite if we aren’t confident that we are pulling in schools ourselves. We have to look out for us and if that means leaving behind a few conference mates to go create the Pac-16, so be it.

Why would anyone go to the pac 12? Payout will prob be worse, and the league blows up when Oregon and Washington leave. Zero chance anyone is going there.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Yeah, the amount of confidence on this board right now is pretty wild, particularly when you consider what we've been through the last decade. There's no such thing as solid ground.

What’s the worst case scenario here?
Something like the Pac-10 sticking together and inviting KU, OSU, and the Texas schools. (I think we are likely in if the Pac expands by 6, but worst case.)

BYU would go indy again.

It would be us, Cincinnati, UCF, West Virginia, Kansas State, maybe Baylor or Houston in there stuck in a 6-school shell of a conference that would get approached by the American and asked for a merger. The “best case” there would be to peel off 4-6 more American schools and try to be the best G5 (now G6) league.

That’s not out of the question even if it is unlikely. I think people on here are way too confident even if it is the case that good (or at least not catastrophic) things happening is a >50% proposition.

 

[Kinch]

Yeah I have not heard of that at all. If anything, I believe that would be an individual college situation. No idea why it would be the conference fault.

You are probably right. Like you allude to, Barta is in trouble if he can't get some financial help from other schools.

 

[Cyclonick182]

Honestly agree. That combined with NIL are terrible. I’ve just found other things to do on Saturdays in the fall. Usually the best weather of the year so no loss.

I had already planned on spending more time paddleboarding but this appears to be that final push for me. Kinda a bummer.

 

[Thinker]

Texas did not go to the PAC 12 because of travel/time zone issues a few years back. No current Big 12 member is going to impact a media rights deal to the point where that is not a concern.

If I am ISU and the PAC asks them to come along with most of the rest, I would do it. It is just going to be who asks first. If it is only a few and ISU is asked then you also go. The big 12 does not have much TV sets and most schools are secondary in their state like ISU, Cincy, Texas (although just getting on TV there would be huge).

Which makes me wonder, what channels or providers are wanting Big 12 games in the new deal in 2025?